FOS MEETING in MUNICH! December 16th @ 20:00

[Delphine]

I heard back from the pub, they weren't much help - I mentioned 100 people and they said it would be 3,500 euros to rent a hall/room - OUCH!

it's not 100 people we need but 1,000
they have several hall, do you know if it's the price for the smaller hall or the bigger because it's very expensive

[Deleted User 13688]

That's alright Joanne, I was just trying to help.....but it's ok, I'm bowin out now. It's Beth's baby and you and her can do all the work and contacts. It wasn't for me to be involved anyway.

And um, I think if you were to ask any of the fans, they would tell you that it IS all about the boys cuz that is why we all came together in the first place, why Scorps fans even exist, and why you all are going to Munich and why this convention is even being talked about. So if you were to ask the fans, would you rather just have us the fans or have the guys show up too...hmmm I wonder what the answer would be? *confused and totally not understanding face*

Cristy OUT!!

[Delphine]

Ok, I found the price on their website ....
Our Rooms
Jagdstube (94 qm) inclusive terrace
up to 116 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 4.300,00

Jagdstube (94 qm)
up to 110 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 3.300,00

Große Jagdstube ( 64 qm )
up to 80 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 2.400,00
(Please note that access has to be granted!)

Kleine Jagdstube ( 30 qm )
up to 36 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 1.080,00

Maybe the "Grosse Jagstube" (at 2.400€) coulbe enough because it' is 80 seats but with tables, so if we remove some tables and stay stand up we could be more people (ok, it's still expensive ...)

[Adrian]

Ok, I found the price on their website ....
Our Rooms
Jagdstube (94 qm) inclusive terrace
up to 116 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 4.300,00

Jagdstube (94 qm)
up to 110 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 3.300,00

Große Jagdstube ( 64 qm )
up to 80 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 2.400,00
(Please note that access has to be granted!)

Kleine Jagdstube ( 30 qm )
up to 36 seats
Turn over guarantee: Euro 1.080,00

Maybe the "Grosse Jagstube" (at 2.400€) coulbe enough because it' is 80 seats but with tables, so if we remove some tables and stay stand up we could be more people (ok, it's still expensive ...)

but the point is........how many we'll be there officially?
for officially i mean........."to say yes and to be there phisically"

i'm writing this cause often everybody say YES (i mean it's typical of many people)........but at the very last moment many YES become.........NO.......

[Scorplady]

Well there are cheaper options available to us, I'm looking into them now and trying to get information.

It's true what Adrian has said, many people might say "yes" but then they don't show up. Ideally, I would like to see everyone to reserve their spot for the convention by either paying for it in full or maybe a deposit. In my experience once someone puts down money for something they are more likely to attend.

Of course, there will be those who won't know if they can go or not, so we have to have a few spaces available just in case. But not too many of course!

[Adrian]

Well there are cheaper options available to us, I'm looking into them now and trying to get information.

It's true what Adrian has said, many people might say "yes" but then they don't show up. Ideally, I would like to see everyone to reserve their spot for the convention by either paying for it in full or maybe a deposit. In my experience once someone puts down money for something they are more likely to attend.

Of course, there will be those who won't know if they can go or not, so we have to have a few spaces available just in case. But not too many of course!

just a "stupid example"......
my football friendly matches with my friends..........
when i organize this matches everyone give me his confirmation, but at the match, maybe half people appear to the field........but from when i pretend that they give me some money to book the "sport field"....you can be sure, everyone appear to play......

so......i'm agree to give some money to book a place where to go......(don't know how it could works).....

[Deleted User 13688]

I guess I see things differently....if I had the remotest chance to go to a convention meant to bring fans together of one of the greatest bands of rock history, then wild horses couldn't keep me away!!! I mean, it's the end of an era!!! What more could you want?

And it would HAVE to be understood that having the boys is NOT a certain thing, not even James and Pawel, who looove a good party. For all who participate, to understand that the convention is to honor the boys but not necessarily would they be there.

I personally think that they owe the fans that much, but who am I to say? haha This is the end peeps, whether we want to face it or not...sure they are not done per se, but they are done with constant touring. Pretty soon, their few hits in certain places next year will also start to fade away as they start new projects. To me, this may be the last time a convention will take place with so many from this many countries. MAKE IT COUNT!!

And frankly, I am wondering where the heck everyone is on here? What has happened to everybody?

[flyingvee]

Again not to douse any flames or stunt anyone spirits, it s a great idea in theory, but such a convention would be only for those who have the money to afford making such a trek, which eliminates 95% of the fans not living in Europe, and even less considering that most can't get away from work for an extended period of time. But at this point in time probably the ONLY option left as they wont be touring in the US again. Would have been a good idea if someone had thought of this last year.

[Gabi6912]

Okay peep, sorry for my honest opinion but there is something that bothers me abit in this thread:
Why couldn't we organize a similar fan-meeting to the Brussels one?
Just to sit to a cafe, or pub, to order beer, or anything else, feeling brilliant, enjoying each other's companies.
I am saying 2 facts:

1. The maximal amount of money that I will be able to, and want to put into the hat are 20 euros, no more.
2. I won't pay in advance.
It is getting to be about money not about a great Fos-meeting, and it takes it abit artificial for me.

[katerina]

I have to say, I won't be there, but why don't you just rent a room in a simple pub for some hours? We had considered that possibility for the meeting in Brussels too, and as you can see here, it would be 25€/hour. Also I wouldn't go for a too big room, I think it would be better to be a bit on the crowdy side if most of the people do join than spread in a big room if there's less participation.
Whatever you choose, have fun!

[Scorplady]

Sorry I haven't responded recently, it's been a crazy week and it's only Tuesday!

I made a post here to get opinions on if there would be interest in doing this. It wasn't a "We are doing this, who wants to go?" type of thing. I certainly don't want to be in a room by myself while y'all are at the pub! So I appreciate everyone's point of view. I'm glad to see some excited and liking the idea and I'm equally happy to see the other side of things and what could go wrong or why it wouldn't work. So thank you everyone.

flyingvee - while I appreciate that if you had known that this was going to happen that you might of attended - if you knew a year in advance and all. But had we started planning this when the original Munich date was announced - can you imagine the trouble it would cause? If we rented a place, etc. It would be crazy. And while I understand that you might be grumpy because you won't be able to attend, please don't ruin it for the people who would like a get together in some shape or form. I brought the idea to the forum as soon as I could think of it - sorry my brain didn't think of it 6 months ago. What's the expression? Hindsight is 20/20 but looking back it's still a bit fuzzy. It's still a good idea at least I think it is.

Oh and Gabi - I understand completely. It's absolutely not about the money (or at the very least I hope I mentioned that) it's about meeting with our fellow fans in Munich - somewhere (anywhere!). But when I started planning and thinking about the Munich concert - I was thinking of something that can make it all the more special. I mean it will be special, but I mean even more special! It's not about the money - if I was rich I would offer to just host the whole thing and give away these goodie bags (I need to buy a lotto ticket I guess!) to everyone. I guess for me, I would love a place where we could gather that isn't in a pub that is playing Enter Sandman by Metallica 10 times in a row. I want a party about the Scorpions by us crazy fans. Maybe it's just a silly dream, but the timing with it being the end of the year, near Christmas even and with the last date of the tour - it seemed to me like everything just clicked.

I honestly think we can still do something - and the goodie bag is definitely optional. You should not be obligated to pay for anything you don't want to, but to rent a room or an area in a pub it does cost money and while I wish I could pay for it, I just won't be able to on my own.

I know I'm just a silly girl from Canada trying to arrange a party in Germany, so I brought the idea here to see if people would be interested or had any additional suggestions that could help. It doesn't "have" to happen, but I would like to see it happen if I have my choice.

[Delphine]

I have to say, I won't be there, but why don't you just rent a room in a simple pub for some hours? We had considered that possibility for the meeting in Brussels too, and as you can see here, it would be 25€/hour. Also I wouldn't go for a too big room, I think it would be better to be a bit on the crowdy side if most of the people do join than spread in a big room if there's less participation.
Whatever you choose, have fun!

That's we tried/want, rent a room in thr pub suggested Ben. It was us 1st thoungh, now we know it's TOO expensive and we try to find an other place.

The maximal amount of money that I will be able to, and want to put into the hat are 20 euros, no more.

I'm agree but I even think that 20€ is too much, it shouldn't be more than 15€ per personn but for that we NEED people !!!

So, I recieved some answer and It seems that Anna & Pavel (from Moscow) will be in Munich, but nothing sure yet. They will talk about the covention to other Russian fans.
I haven't news from Haleyna but like she land the Saturday from Singapor, I'm sure she will be with us.

[Deleted User 13688]

Gabi, I wish you wouldn't see this as artifical....it's not about the money, it's about the fans, but how do you put anything like this on without the money? It's not like the guys are going to put any of their bucks towards a fan gathering. Even if it is as important as it is....I mean technically, this is their last "tour" and I think it's a good idea. But since so many on here are fading away, it may not work.

[Scorplady]

The maximal amount of money that I will be able to, and want to put into the hat are 20 euros, no more.

I'm agree but I even think that 20€ is too much, it shouldn't be more than 15€ per personn but for that we NEED people !!!

So, I recieved some answer and It seems that Anna & Pavel (from Moscow) will be in Munich, but nothing sure yet. They will talk about the covention to other Russian fans.
I haven't news from Haleyna but like she land the Saturday from Singapor, I'm sure she will be with us.

My idea is to have it as less expensive as possible, when I did some calculations I figured that 10 euros each for 100 people would be enough to get a small room somewhere as well as enough to pay for the items in the bag of goodies. Then after discussion with someone else, if people were interested in getting a custom made FOS t-shirt in their size it would be an additional 5 euros but the t-shirt would be completely optional. Of course for those fans who do not want to pay or cannot afford it, I think they should be allowed to join us and maybe donate 2-4 euros or something, to help with the renting of the room and then be eligible for any prizes we draw. Or something similar to that.

Merci Delphine ! Thank you for contacting people who do not normally look at the forum. There will be people from all the corners of the world in Munich but our big problem is getting the people interested and willing to pay 10 euros.

The big problem we have is:

A) Finding a place within our budget (whether it is a room, place in a pub or a street corner - heh)
B) Getting enough fans interested and being able to commit to paying a portion in advance to secure a place.

This is obviously still a work in progress, but this really depends on us fans to make it happen.

[flyingvee]

Renting a hall to do this is the least of it and the most doable part of it. Getting time off work, and affording the airfare to fly to Germany and the money for hotels just is too much. Maybe if the US economy was not so screwed up, then maybe I'd still have a career making decent money instead of having companies tossing away 25 years of engineering experience and making us get new jobs making half the money. So yea, I'm grumpy. I got a worthless Masters degree in engineering and worthless work experience cause no one wants to hire i my line of work. So Germany aint happening for most of us worker bees. Cristy is right, this is just an extension of the pay for the meet n greets as only those that can afford the luxury can do it. IT IS a great idea, just not reasonable for most.

[Deleted User 13688]

Renting a hall to do this is the least of it and the most doable part of it. Getting time off work, and affording the airfare to fly to Germany and the money for hotels just is too much. Maybe if the US economy was not so screwed up, then maybe I'd still have a career making decent money instead of having companies tossing away 25 years of engineering experience and making us get new jobs making half the money. So yea, I'm grumpy. I got a worthless Masters degree in engineering and worthless work experience cause no one wants to hire i my line of work. So Germany aint happening for most of us worker bees. Cristy is right, this is just an extension of the pay for the meet n greets as only those that can afford the luxury can do it. IT IS a great idea, just not reasonable for most.

There are more peeps from diff countries going to Munich than ever before. So if those who are already going to be there would just say they are up for the convention, then it can be done. I cannot believe this is the same forum from last year. It's creepy. So many are gone.

As for jobs, my sister also lost her job in engineering and just now, after over a year, got another job after looking even for the most menial jobs, for almost half of what she was making...and she has a blind husband who gets minimum benefits. They are in serious trouble. So it's hard and I'm sorry Drew.

[oldscorpsfan75]

3,500????? Very very expensive...about the pub....umm I like the atmoshpere of these places but I really hate the acoustic...it's very very hard hear when a person talks...I prefere a quite place

[Scorplady]

:?: 3,500????? Very very expensive...about the pub....umm I like the atmoshpere of these places but I really hate the acoustic...it's very very hard hear when a person talks...I prefere a quite place

Yeah it's the same for me, plus with everyone speaking multiple languages it's hard to do that effectively with all the noise. My original idea was a hotel conference room, there are some cheap ones in the area of that pub, but I have not heard back from them yet.

Any German speakers willing to help out?

[Gabi6912]

Hi Joanne dear,
I would like to apologize because I didn't want to hurt you, and your idea either.

I bet, I expressed my feelings on the wrong way about money, am trying to be more clear.
I am not crazy about gigant parties:
I feel the best at a party, if I know everybody, at least almost everybody, who is there.
I always have liked those small newyear parties just with my friends, for example.
There were always about 10 peep at the parties, but the atmosphere was perfect.

The situation was similar in 2005 in Colmar at that Fos-meeting.
There were just those fans in the bar of the band's hotel, whom I had allready known from the forum.
We weren't too many fans, but we all knew each other, and had very good talkings, full of funn.
Okay, there weren't giftbags, and everyone ate/drenk that she/he bought in the bar, but I never will forget that fantastic night, one of the best night of my life, oh and with Rudolf and Tanya, James, and Uli, who was with us till the end of the party.

Now, you would like to see about 100 fans at the party.
I personally will know about 20-25 fans of the 100.
Everybody will talk with those the most, whom she knows, and wanted to meet for long time.
At least I think from this aspect.
This whole project seems abit too professional for me, losing the magic, at least in my eyes.
I am not sure about wanting to be there, to be honest.
I will be happy, and satisfied if I can meet you, Curry, Nadia, Adry, Haleina, Del, and other Fosers, whom I know.
However, I didn't want to ruin your pleasure Joanne.
It is just my opinion about the project.

[phuong]

Just my 2 cents: it should have been just a gathering / meetup rather than a convention, because it sounds just too huge and unrealistic. Just find a place where people can talk to each other, not necessarily a big conference room. Imagine how "cold" the air would be, with all the big tables and chairs.