Nancy - 02.06.2012

by **YNWA** » June 14th, 2012, 3:49 pm

Thanks for the honest answer...It`s sad for me that some fans are losing the flame... some real fans... I believe (or at least I HOPE) that in some month we`ll be rocking so much and .. then.. everything will be more OK.

Love&Peace &.. SCORPIONS :wink:

by **Deleted User 13688** » June 14th, 2012, 6:33 pm

@Diego, I bet if we were to know how much Russia and France pays the guys....ahem, *Amend*, we would be shocked!! Thus, the continuing tours to those countries. Whereas, we *the States* don't pay as much AND they have to spend a lot to get here, thus less tours here. It's all about money money money anymore which far outmatches the fans! sigh....

by **marina** » June 14th, 2012, 6:47 pm

diego18 wrote:
YNWA wrote:Diego, of course, we`re just sharing opinions, not arguing .. Sorry if it seemed so..

As for me, I haven`t said that I do not believe or do believe this journalist. I said that as X can trust the band`s statment, Y can trust the article - and none of the both prove anything. Do you know why.. Cause we don`t have other sides (promoters&old members) statments. And if anybody wants to be objective, it just has to know what all the sides think about it (do not trust if someone said that someone told him that Herman told him.. bla bla bla). You/We need first hand info (from the 2 other sides) and we don`t have it... So we can just guess..

About the journalist, nope.. they do not lie intentiously, they just spice up stories too much. That`s in their journalist DNA.

But I can`t understand what are you so dissapointed of? Final Tour? Ok.. Most of us are very or not so much, but at all, quite dissapoined...

What else are you dissapoined of? Pau show... ? .. and?

I`m not arguing, I`m just asking with curiousity cause it seems you are more pissed off from Nancy`s show than the others, who were there, and at the same time I don`t find so many "Scorps fails" who can make anybody so angry (may be too strong word, sorry)...

Hope time will heal you pain and we`ll all have great and unforgetable time in Munich! Think that way: The best is SURELY yet to come!

Yeah we are not arguing I just wanted to make sure that I do not want to argue with anyone, even if we have different opinions ( was just a preventive comment)

The thing with nancy is like it has been the drop of water wich finished to fill a glass, I do agree we would need more versions to make final statements, but I am afraid we will not... but to me that article haves total sense and as I said some times, it explains all.
I think it will be difficult to have another night to remember

Yes mostly of my deception comes from the tour, is crearly a tour just made to make money, not to say goodbye... as I said time ago, they are having some troubles, Klaus is sick a few times, so why a so high number of shows, if they were playing all around the world I would understand it is to please all the fans,, but they have been 3 years playing the same countries... that is not a goodbye. If they have problems doing too much shows, play less number of shows, and play more countries, yeah maybe you will win less money, but isn't rock around the world your life? what could be a better ending? maybe I am a dreamer about that but it is how I see it.

Yeah the thing about Pau... this is just speculations, but it is strange, nancy was announced as the final french show, thats why there was all the family reunion etc... and well in april some dates of the french tour were cancelled, and surprisingly they appear in november together with more french shows... This was just a though of mine.

And the oooold subject of the setlist, well if this is goodbye, it could truly be a better goodbye, and I know the could do it much better if they wanted, they have been with the autopilot all the tour.

Comeblack... .... what the hell was that?, that was not a gift to us as they say in interviews, it was another album, even if they called it a proyect or whathever, I though they did want to end with a strong studio album like sting in the tail was.

And the thing that I like the least, they are not the same band I have enjoyed and loved, Lenita explained better than me some pages ago, I share what she said.

I am going to stop, I look like an old grumpy old man saying I do not like this, I do not like that, it was better in the past etc .

Cheers to everyone

YOU KNO, AND WE´VE TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO, THAT I AGREE WITH THE YELLOW PART OF YOUR STATEMENT. ALSO ABOUT THE OLD PEOPLE SENTENCE :-D

WELL, IN THE HOMEPAGE IS EVEN WORSE: THEY´VE BEEN ANNOUNCED FOR AGES THE LAST SHOWS IN GERMANY EVER AND... SOME TIME LATER THERE´S ANOTHER ONE IN OBERHAUSEN...

AND LAST YEAR THEY SAID IT WAS THEIR LAST SHOWS IN RUSSIA, JAMES EVEN POSTED IT IN HIS FB WALL, AND THEY´VE TOURDE RUSSIA AGAIN THIS SPRING...

AND I´M AFRAID MANY CONTRADICIONS ARE YET TO COME

but hey, I´d be happy if they DON´T keep their promise of retiring!

by **Delphine** » June 14th, 2012, 6:49 pm

diego18 wrote:Yeah the thing about Pau... this is just speculations, but it is strange, nancy was announced as the final french show, thats why there was all the family reunion etc... and well in april some dates of the french tour were cancelled, and surprisingly they appear in november together with more french shows... This was just a though of mine.

It's due to a stupid war between 2 promoters ! Nancy should be The Last one (for France). But Drouot cannot resist to make more money and planned new dates (in the back of Music for Ever, promoter of Nancy).
Like drouot paid a lot of more, the management didn't say "NO" ....

the consequance is the hight price of the drouot's tickets! So, if you plan to travel to France in November, take the inssurance for your tavel / hotel ... because there are a lot of risk that some shows will be cancelled due to bad sale.

by **Emilie** » June 14th, 2012, 6:55 pm

Delphine wrote:
diego18 wrote:Yeah the thing about Pau... this is just speculations, but it is strange, nancy was announced as the final french show, thats why there was all the family reunion etc... and well in april some dates of the french tour were cancelled, and surprisingly they appear in november together with more french shows... This was just a though of mine.

It's due to a stupid war between 2 promoters ! Nancy should be The Last one (for France). But Drouot cannot resist to make more money and planned new dates (in the back of Music for Ever, promoter of Nancy).
Like drouot paid a lot of more, the management didn't say "NO" ....

the consequance is the hight price of the drouot's tickets! So, if you plan to travel to France in November, take the inssurance for your tavel / hotel ... because there are a lot of risk that some shows will be cancelled due to bad sale.

Thanks for the information Delphine, I appreciate. Now I'm so happy that Diego and I returned our tickets for Pau, at least we won't have to go to a concert in which we don't feel like going...

by **marina** » June 14th, 2012, 7:20 pm

BUT THE POINT ABOUT THIS, IS NOT THAT THE PROMOTERS SAY WHICH IS THE LAST TOUR IN A CERTAIN COUNTRY. THE POINT IS THAT THEMSELVES SAID PUBLICLY LAST YEAR WAS THE LAST TIME IN RUSSIA AND IT WASN´T. THAT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF WACKEN, STUTGART, FRANKFURT, MUNICH BEING THE LAST SHOWS EVER IN GERMANY HAS BEEN VISIBLE HERE, IN THE OFFICIAL SITE...AND THEY´RE NOT THE LAST ONES SO FAR....

TO ME, IT SEEMS THEY´RE MAKING LOTS OF MONEY IN THIS "LAST" "WORLD" TOUR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY´RE KILING IN LESS THAN 3 YEARS THE GREAT REPUTATION THEY´VE GAINED IN 40 YEARS

AND IT MAKES ME SOOOOOOO SAD :-(

by **Kristof** » June 14th, 2012, 9:22 pm

My pictures,
http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/S ... th%202012/

review follows :wink:

by **Guest** » June 14th, 2012, 9:31 pm

Kristof wrote:My pictures,
http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/S ... th%202012/

review follows

Very nice, Kristof! Those with Rudy L. are so touching...

by **Guest** » June 14th, 2012, 9:52 pm

marina wrote:
TO ME, IT SEEMS THEY´RE MAKING LOTS OF MONEY IN THIS "LAST" "WORLD" TOUR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY´RE KILING IN LESS THAN 3 YEARS THE GREAT REPUTATION THEY´VE GAINED IN 40 YEARS

AND IT MAKES ME SOOOOOOO SAD

That's my point exactly, Marina.

During these last years there have been many small things that have left a bitter taste in my mouth. I was trying to explain them in different ways, give them the 'benefit of the doubt', since they always gave a good performance making their fans happy at the concert. However, when I took a step away from the whole system, tried looking at the overall picture of how their concerts were scheduled and mostly how they responded to the wishes of their fans in terms of geography and setlists, it broke my heart to sense so much disappointment. THAT is what I call 'bad vibes'.

And , when something or somebody is charged with negative feelings, it takes a LOOOOT of efford to make things right again, to erase the stamp from their foreheads. It's like pooring water to wine . We still admire their stage act, yes, we admire the youthful energy of the Big Three, and raise our thumb for Pawel and James for doing a good job, but we don't like the image of them following the plan of profit, to give us a show on the 'safe' ground, however well they do it.

Being a musician and a rock star should not be an issue of a job, it should be an issue of passion ! It should not be an issue of routine, it should be an issue of change, improvising and experiment. That's the only way it can survive.

by **marina** » June 14th, 2012, 10:08 pm

RIGHT, AND IT DOESN´T SEEM TO BE SO HARD TO START MENDING THE SITUATION...JUST A CHANGE IN THE SETLIST AND A WILL TO PLAY IN MORE PLACES (NOT NECESSARILY A LOOOOOOOOT OF CONSECUTIVE SHOWS)

by **Guest** » June 14th, 2012, 10:33 pm

Mending it would be ridiculously simple, in fact !

1) Go to give concerts in Australia !

2) Rehearse and perform some of the most wanted songs from the 70´s and 80´s

3) Organize a real Family Reunion at least once towards the end of the tour !

by **Guest** » June 14th, 2012, 11:07 pm

Filling up these three points might cost you quite a bit of money, yes! I'm thinking of the Australian part, mainly, but I also know that many other rock bands of the same calibre have done that - and survived !

And I know that taking some of the oldies would require some extra work , if nothing else, at least changing the keys lower etc. but I sincerely believe it would be worth the trouble ! You cannot imagine the response Uli had performing the good old songs from the 70' s with his band in Greece.... the long term fans ended up with honey in their minds and ears. It would take only two or three pieces to make this effect. The only thing that came to my mind was: Man, if only Klaus was singing these tunes...!

The former band members are an important part of your history and journey as a band. You simply wouldn't be the band you are today without them! The fans have seen them, all of them, respectively, so would it be too much to ask to swallow your pride in spite of some differences of opinion, bad memories from the past??? You are good musicians, after all, and all of you could go through a gig of 2 hours just for the good old times' sake. Like professionals.

Wouldn't you feel happier after fulfilling these dreams of the fans? Wouldn't you feel like "Ok, now it is the good time to leave the endless touring", when you knew that you satisfied the needs of the long-term devoted loyal fans?

by **Emilie** » June 14th, 2012, 11:15 pm

I so wish that they would listen to you, Lenita...

by **Deleted User 13688** » June 14th, 2012, 11:47 pm

Lennu wrote:
marina wrote:
TO ME, IT SEEMS THEY´RE MAKING LOTS OF MONEY IN THIS "LAST" "WORLD" TOUR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY´RE KILING IN LESS THAN 3 YEARS THE GREAT REPUTATION THEY´VE GAINED IN 40 YEARS

AND IT MAKES ME SOOOOOOO SAD

That's my point exactly, Marina.

During these last years there have been many small things that have left a bitter taste in my mouth. I was trying to explain them in different ways, give them the 'benefit of the doubt', since they always gave a good performance making their fans happy at the concert. However, when I took a step away from the whole system, tried looking at the overall picture of how their concerts were scheduled and mostly how they responded to the wishes of their fans in terms of geography and setlists, it broke my heart to sense so much disappointment. THAT is what I call 'bad vibes'.

And , when something or somebody is charged with negative feelings, it takes a LOOOOT of efford to make things right again, to erase the stamp from their foreheads. It's like pooring water to wine . We still admire their stage act, yes, we admire the youthful energy of the Big Three, and raise our thumb for Pawel and James for doing a good job, but we don't like the image of them following the plan of profit, to give us a show on the 'safe' ground, however well they do it.

Being a musician and a rock star should not be an issue of a job, it should be an issue of passion ! It should not be an issue of routine, it should be an issue of change, improvising and experiment. That's the only way it can survive.

WELL SAID LEN!! :clap:

by **Gabi6912** » June 15th, 2012, 5:15 am

Oh it is an interesting, intelligent conversation between us, and there are many right points in everybody's posts, but basicly my attitude remained the same as Curry's one.
I always try to find the most positive, and best sides of life, so I am willing to "close my eyes" from negative issues just to enjoy that I have, but of course, we are different being humans with differ attitudes, and opinions.

Emilie dear, I really love you and you know that, and don't want to hurt you, and to treat you as an old, smartassing woman the younger person, but a post of yours hit my heart, you know, about can't forgiving.
Whenever I make a strict judgement about anything, my next reaction is to contenplate my judgement from the opposite side, I mean, I am trying to imagine how I would feel, if somebody turned my own judgement backwards me.
I wish you never to experience what a feeling is when anybody can't forgive you.
It's a miserable feeling, believe me.
So be abit careful with your judgements. :oops:

by **Delphine** » June 15th, 2012, 9:18 am

Lennu wrote:Filling up these three points might cost you quite a bit of money, yes! I'm thinking of the Australian part, mainly, but I also know that many other rock bands of the same calibre have done that - and survived !

And I know that taking some of the oldies would require some extra work , if nothing else, at least changing the keys lower etc. but I sincerely believe it would be worth the trouble ! You cannot imagine the response Uli had performing the good old songs from the 70' s with his band in Greece.... the long term fans ended up with honey in their minds and ears. It would take only two or three pieces to make this effect. The only thing that came to my mind was: Man, if only Klaus was singing these tunes...!

The former band members are an important part of your history and journey as a band. You simply wouldn't be the band you are today without them! The fans have seen them, all of them, respectively, so would it be too much to ask to swallow your pride in spite of some differences of opinion, bad memories from the past??? You are good musicians, after all, and all of you could go through a gig of 2 hours just for the good old times' sake. Like professionals.

Wouldn't you feel happier after fulfilling these dreams of the fans? Wouldn't you feel like "Ok, now it is the good time to leave the endless touring", when you knew that you satisfied the needs of the long-term devoted loyal fans?

Lennita I love your "letter to the Scorps"

If they could read it and of course apply it, it would be wonderfull.

by **luky** » June 15th, 2012, 9:28 am

Lennu wrote:Filling up these three points might cost you quite a bit of money, yes! I'm thinking of the Australian part, mainly, but I also know that many other rock bands of the same calibre have done that - and survived !

And I know that taking some of the oldies would require some extra work , if nothing else, at least changing the keys lower etc. but I sincerely believe it would be worth the trouble ! You cannot imagine the response Uli had performing the good old songs from the 70' s with his band in Greece.... the long term fans ended up with honey in their minds and ears. It would take only two or three pieces to make this effect. The only thing that came to my mind was: Man, if only Klaus was singing these tunes...!

The former band members are an important part of your history and journey as a band. You simply wouldn't be the band you are today without them! The fans have seen them, all of them, respectively, so would it be too much to ask to swallow your pride in spite of some differences of opinion, bad memories from the past??? You are good musicians, after all, and all of you could go through a gig of 2 hours just for the good old times' sake. Like professionals.

Wouldn't you feel happier after fulfilling these dreams of the fans? Wouldn't you feel like "Ok, now it is the good time to leave the endless touring", when you knew that you satisfied the needs of the long-term devoted loyal fans?

I red this topic and I have to say that I totaly agree with your all poits Lennu! I have already written my opinion about this situation in another topic so our thinking are very close to each other.

I hope that the band will be over to this situation soon. They promised that they want to say goodbye from all people and visit everywhere where they still haven’t played before. I don’t think so that they would need to the money so much! They are millionaires and they shouldn’t have to care about only the money! But it looks that only the money matters. The Scorpions have built up a magic in their 40 years career. I don’t want to be disapponited more and more…