Nancy - 02.06.2012

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Dear Scorpions !

It's not easy to apologize and however you have made it with simplicity and honesty I hope, here before all your fans . I was not in Nancy but Alizée my daughter was there . Thank you for her !
Good luck for your tour in the U.S !
Mline from France....

Alizée says: Whatever it's truth or else, I really appreciate their "getting aware of fans' reviews there ."
Nothing else can be more valuables than direct excuses, you know.
Guys, we will never let you down ! RnR Forever !
Anyway, Nancy promoters are fully aware of their really bad organisation ( so many things to say there ... !!) and unlike Scorpions we didn't get any words of apologizing yet .
I left this forum (still keepin' an eye on it ! ) to focus on my things . I've a long time off because of my job and improve my guitar playing and compositions
Bye Bye !!!!

[Deleted User 13688]

1. Why wasn't Herman on stage with Scorps? Maybe cuz of his book, he's very brutal and honest about what went down with the band.
2. People need to quit seeing the band as infallible Gods!! They make mistakes, i.e. James BUT that apology by the band smacks of Amend seeing money going down the drain cuz of disgruntled fans and he had to do damage control. Therefore the apology.
3. Klaus and Amend have a lot of control of the band, more than we think and for them NOT to know ANYTHING that is going down, is inconceivable.

I am still in love with the band, but I can't keep denying, that as wonderful as they have treated me, they are still a BUSINESS and a business is run with precision and hard core strictness. And I cannot see them as pie in the sky ppl who are perfect, they have their secrets and their lies. Do they still love their fans? Yes, to an extent. I believe they are a bit preferential to what country they play to however. AND how much money that country pays them.
I too am becoming more and more aware of how delusional I have been and have made them to be my obsession. Well, I have invested far too much into this band, and now that they are retiring, maybe it's time to get another hobby if you will. If they come back to America, will I go? Yes, cuz they are still a band I have loved since the 80's and then got to know them in 2007 and that is hard to break!!! But we have to clear our heads, wake up to the realities of the rock and roll world and come to the understanding that no band is that perfect and that they have to do what that business demands AND what Amend demands!! And if it's cut throat at times, they have to do what they have to do. Get your heads outta the clouds and realize that we have no clue in the world what goes on behind closed doors. Don't you know, that unless you have been good friends with the band for a long time, their smiles and everything on stage and off stage to the fans are all well oiled machines who have perfected it throughout the years!! We probably don't have a clue what they say behind out backs.
Sorry if I am being brutally honest here cuz actually, as much as I love the guys and how they have treated me in the past and it hurts my heart to be honest here, you have to wake up folks. This band of brothers are NOT GODS!! Quit treating them as such.
Still loving you James and Klaus and Matthias and Rudolf and Pawel regardless!!!!

[marina]

1. Why wasn't Herman on stage with Scorps? Maybe cuz of his book, he's very brutal and honest about what went down with the band.
2. People need to quit seeing the band as infallible Gods!! They make mistakes, i.e. James BUT that apology by the band smacks of Amend seeing money going down the drain cuz of disgruntled fans and he had to do damage control. Therefore the apology.
3. Klaus and Amend have a lot of control of the band, more than we think and for them NOT to know ANYTHING that is going down, is inconceivable.

I am still in love with the band, but I can't keep denying, that as wonderful as they have treated me, they are still a BUSINESS and a business is run with precision and hard core strictness. And I cannot see them as pie in the sky ppl who are perfect, they have their secrets and their lies. Do they still love their fans? Yes, to an extent. I believe they are a bit preferential to what country they play to however. AND how much money that country pays them.
I too am becoming more and more aware of how delusional I have been and have made them to be my obsession. Well, I have invested far too much into this band, and now that they are retiring, maybe it's time to get another hobby if you will. If they come back to America, will I go? Yes, cuz they are still a band I have loved since the 80's and then got to know them in 2007 and that is hard to break!!! But we have to clear our heads, wake up to the realities of the rock and roll world and come to the understanding that no band is that perfect and that they have to do what that business demands AND what Amend demands!! And if it's cut throat at times, they have to do what they have to do. Get your heads outta the clouds and realize that we have no clue in the world what goes on behind closed doors. Don't you know, that unless you have been good friends with the band for a long time, their smiles and everything on stage and off stage to the fans are all well oiled machines who have perfected it throughout the years!! We probably don't have a clue what they say behind out backs.
Sorry if I am being brutally honest here cuz actually, as much as I love the guys and how they have treated me in the past and it hurts my heart to be honest here, you have to wake up folks. This band of brothers are NOT GODS!! Quit treating them as such.
Still loving you James and Klaus and Matthias and Rudolf and Pawel regardless!!!!

well, cristy, i don´t think they say anything that could hurt us... they´ve been famous for 4 decades and still they know our single names and where we´re from and remember who is friend of who and show interest in ourselves...as single ppersons, not as 2 bunch of fans, you know....(caps button it´s out of order in this computer,

[diego18]

Finally I am loosing all the respect I once felt for this band since I was a young boy…is hard and sad and I would feel even worse if I would have attended the show we are talking about. Some months ago I opened a topic about the feeling that something was going wrong since 2011 autum. Instead of finding new reasons to once again respect them as I used to, all I found in front of me were strange decisions, that seemed to put me more and more far from the scorpions.

Probably you will know this website http://www.radiometal.com

http://www.radiometal.com/article/nancy ... fans,72198
well here we have a …more than complete review of Nancy show, it is a long article, I suggest you use a translator, I will put you just the most important points of the article. Emilie translated it for me a few minutes ago, and now I have translated it to English so there might be some gramatical errors of mine.
Maybe this post will be deleted or I will be banned, I hope not but well, here it is:

The Journalist had a press pass with access to backstage, the band arrived at 18pm, and some of them in a bad status… he tried to interview Rudolf and he was quite drunk, but when Pawel and James arrived Rudolf seemed as fresh as a rose if you compared him to the other 2, so a big part of the band was in bad shape and everyone could notice specially the James performance. It seems they had a big party after the show in Belgium. He says he had never seen a band in that status going to a show.
Later he says about the band’s message on this website, the James message is ok, but that the scorpions message is… a surprise after what happened there…

First the company "music for ever" booked the show many months ago, so he phoned the company yesterday, the company said that the idea of reunion show was talked with the band, as they have a long relation because they are the company who brought them to france for the first times in the old days so they agreeded orally to do a renunion there. So also the former scorpions agreeded to do a reunion show there.
So why didn’t Michael come why one song with Uli? Why no Herman or Rudi?

First Michael Schenker’s manager and organization of the festival received an e mail from the scorpions team the 24th of May wich said that the scorpions did not want to play with Michael, neither with Uli, Herman and nobody… with no explanation, they just didn’t wanted…
The journalist gives his opinion that the reason could be the Michael Schenker tour with francis… so that’s the reason why Michael did not go to Nancy.
In the very last moment they agreeded to play with Uli but just one song. Herman was there (as we know for a promise to play the sails of charon) and also Rudi Lenners, but the band did not want to play with them, so they stayed in the backstage.

The journalist says that this must have been a sad situation for Michael specially, after all they are brothers. He also says that Rudolf in meetings with crazyscorps said that the nancy show will be something spectacular and that if Rudolf wanted it he could have make peace between all of them, and that the band could have said all the changes with much more time, because they told the changes to the festival with very littler time, an shameless attitude of a professional band. Because all of them, band, management etc etc knew that the meening of the nancy show was the reunion and people would go there specially for that.
The journalist was backstage also in the Geneva’s show in Switzerland (4th November 2011), and there the band members told him about a reunion show in Nancy.

He says that we can see the intention of the band of washing their hands in the message of the website here (we were not aware of the show…)

Michael’s final decition to not to go to Nancy was done a few hours before the festival (it seems he was hoping for a change until the last minute)

The journalist asked music forever why they did not cancel the show if there was not going to be a reunion, and the advertisements were a lie. And the company answer was that for respect to the fans who went there to see other bands and the scorpions they did not cancel. (They are not saints neither)

The promoters of music for ever had to adapt to the last minute’s high demands of the scorpions.

The scorpions, surprising everyone, forced Uli Jon Roth to play after the scorpions when half of the people would have left the place… it seems because they wanted to go back as soon as possible to Germany.
He says we must admire Uli because even with all the problems he had, he did a fantastic show. Backstage Uli was in a very very strange mood and he was more than surprised to play one single song with the scorpions.
Uli said it was that it was sad he could not play more songs, because it could have saved a little James and Pawel’s performance, because they were too drunk to play properly..

The journalist conclusion is that a lot was expected for nancy on the rocks, it was supposed to be a big moment, thanks to the scorpiosn managers and promoters it was not.
Many disappointed fans have decided to do boycott to the shows in France in November.






I will always listen to their music but as I said my respect for them is now more or less completely gone. I am considering seriously not going to the Munich's show, but after all I have my reasons for going but not precisely the happiness I used to feel of going to a show, but things would have to change a lot before I decide to buy another ticket.

[Deleted User 13688]

1. Why wasn't Herman on stage with Scorps? Maybe cuz of his book, he's very brutal and honest about what went down with the band.
2. People need to quit seeing the band as infallible Gods!! They make mistakes, i.e. James BUT that apology by the band smacks of Amend seeing money going down the drain cuz of disgruntled fans and he had to do damage control. Therefore the apology.
3. Klaus and Amend have a lot of control of the band, more than we think and for them NOT to know ANYTHING that is going down, is inconceivable.

I am still in love with the band, but I can't keep denying, that as wonderful as they have treated me, they are still a BUSINESS and a business is run with precision and hard core strictness. And I cannot see them as pie in the sky ppl who are perfect, they have their secrets and their lies. Do they still love their fans? Yes, to an extent. I believe they are a bit preferential to what country they play to however. AND how much money that country pays them.
I too am becoming more and more aware of how delusional I have been and have made them to be my obsession. Well, I have invested far too much into this band, and now that they are retiring, maybe it's time to get another hobby if you will. If they come back to America, will I go? Yes, cuz they are still a band I have loved since the 80's and then got to know them in 2007 and that is hard to break!!! But we have to clear our heads, wake up to the realities of the rock and roll world and come to the understanding that no band is that perfect and that they have to do what that business demands AND what Amend demands!! And if it's cut throat at times, they have to do what they have to do. Get your heads outta the clouds and realize that we have no clue in the world what goes on behind closed doors. Don't you know, that unless you have been good friends with the band for a long time, their smiles and everything on stage and off stage to the fans are all well oiled machines who have perfected it throughout the years!! We probably don't have a clue what they say behind out backs.
Sorry if I am being brutally honest here cuz actually, as much as I love the guys and how they have treated me in the past and it hurts my heart to be honest here, you have to wake up folks. This band of brothers are NOT GODS!! Quit treating them as such.
Still loving you James and Klaus and Matthias and Rudolf and Pawel regardless!!!!

well, cristy, i don´t think they say anything that could hurt us... they´ve been famous for 4 decades and still they know our single names and where we´re from and remember who is friend of who and show interest in ourselves...as single ppersons, not as 2 bunch of fans, you know....(caps button it´s out of order in this computer,

Thank you for the small letters! haha Marina, read Diego's post above. That says it all..... I am sad, sick and disappointed. So how come I still love this band?

[Guest]

Why do we continue to Love Scorpions because they are only human just like we are. I believe we are wanting to stereotype them to think they do not have any flaws and not one of us knows what really happened and again it is all speculation! Not until we hear it directly or publically spoken by The Scorps will we have the real truth. Whatever it is or cause of the confusion at this concert we must be sensitive to our Scorps and understand they are human and not some sort of machine or a robot where we expect them to present themselves in a manner we would want! They are real life beings and also have feelings and emotions and if they chose not to play with Uli, Michael or Francis and whomever, it is their choice and they have every right to do so and they need not to make it public or explain to us why. They do have a right to excercise their privacy and their business when it comes to doing their shows, they are going to choose what they deem necessary to make it successful for their fans and of course themselves so keep loving them. I don't believe anything was done on a personal level towards any of their fans and maybe some of us are feeling that way because we have followed them for so many years and have had a close attachment to them and even met them personally but I still have to disagree that because something went wrong in Nancy we are losing our love and support for them, I think you are being emotionally sidetracked and this is what happens when you hear and are not in agreement with things that you may expect from someone you trust so well just as they were sidetracked emotionally in Nancy when things didn't work out as they expected from a promoter that they trusted.......and thats something to think about! So for all the SCORPIONS fans old and new ..remember "STILL LOVING YOU..SCORPIONS"

[Gabi6912]

Okay friends, I really don't want to hurt anybody, but there is something to come outoff me:

Diego dear, I really appreciate your honest post, and respect your opinion, but I have learned an important thing in life through my father's attitude:
Too many analizations don't lead you to anywhere else just to negativity.
In my opinion, we shouldn't over-react, and over-criticize a message.
There are things that our deals, there are others not to be ours.
I have allready gotten too many negative experiences in my life since my childhood, so I so appreciate every and each good moment to get from life, and Scorpions are, who always give me those positive moments, and I may sound selfish, but just it is that sounds for me.

I agree with Marina: they know us, our single names, etc, and it is really SOMETHING in my eyes.
My life won't be neither worse, nor better evenif I see behind the scenes, but it will be just much better if I enjoy the shows, and meetings them.
Life is too short not to enjoy, and appreciate its good side, and to ruin everything with negative emotions.

[Guest]

Hip hip hooray! That is the right attitude to have Gabi, that is the spirit of a true Scorpion fan to keep all the good and positive memories of them alive in your heart because "Life Is Too Short" and "A Moment In A Million years" is worth more than any silver or gold when it comes to our Scorpions!

[YNWA]

There is a great saying: To Err Is Human, To Forgive Divine

Sorry for all being so dissapointed, but.. it`s easy to become angry and to blame. It`s not easy to forgive and forget. Appology given - appology should be accepted. Be sure that everyone, involved with the organisation of the show, as well as our dear Scorps, had already taken note.

But.. what happened - happened! It`s in the past! I`m sure nothing as the above one will happen again. The point is that when something is loaded with huge expectations, the risk of disapointment is much more. So, if it was announced as a normal show, nobody would have been so angry. Can you just forget about the whole story and move on... Give another chance, do not sell your tickets or boycott comming shows...

[Emilie]

Apologize? Which apologize? Those sentences that were only lies? (I don't speak about James, only about the first part). I'm sorry but you can't forgive someone if he tells you only lies.

[YNWA]

How can you prove that it`s a lie? You believe to some journalist who found this situation perfect to make a profit somehow. So you believe some reporter than our band.. Well, it`s OK, but as you can say that their statment is a lie, so do I can say that the article above is a lie. Nobody will know, since we don`t have any other official statments from:

a) old members
b) promoter

... we cannot tell which is truth or not. I`m not a retard, I suppose (but still can`t be sure!) that what Scorps said is not the whole truth, but at least is something. It shows that they still care of what we think.

And aren`t we too exacting as a fans? I mean, look at some other rockstars or superstars as a whole. They got on stage high, drugged, they forgot their lyrics, they do not pay a little attention to their fans, waiting for autographs, they are angry and oftenly not in a good mood.

Amy (RIP) had had an awful show in Serbia a couple of months before she passed away... She got on stage too drunk and drugged, wasn`t in a condition to sing at all... What about the metal heads as the always bitter Dave Mustaine or even Michael Schenker, who, as I know, has such an unpredictable behaviour and it`s not always so caring about the waiting for pics fans... And many more to mention..

So, we have a band that is so friendly to us, as MARINA (my caps work haha) says they know our names, countries, they answer our Bday messages, they talk with us, never refuse to take a pics and so, and so.. And still, most of us are eager to find something they can be dissapoined of..

Ok, it`s not my dream Final Sting too, but why not just enjoy what we have. It`s the very final year.. That`s it.. Try to look at the bright side, not to squeeze the negativism from it.

One mistake.. One bad show and so many negative opinions and unforgiving people.. Why so NEGATIVE!

[Alizee]

Ok I reconnected just for one message, because there are some things gettings out from nowhere and false.... If you care, please read it.

About that article published in radiometal :

1- It says Nancy festival was a success and the organisation was perfect... I was in Nancy and I say : The organisation was a disaster...

Let say the truth.There are two things which happened there : one is due to a lack of professionalism from our guys - They said sorry whatever the truth, anyway the Scorps internal problems is not my problem...! They say sorry.. ok it was the first time it happened for me... Alright it's fine for me.
Then is the general hypocrisis Nancy On The Rocks showed.

Let me tell you a little story of something which happened there...
Right after Gamma Ray came on stage a lady of the organisation's staff to announce us the schedule modifications...Uli band playing after Scorpions ...and that's all... They perfectly knew Michael Schenker wasn't here, Rudy Lenners and Herman Rarebell wouldn't play with the Scorps... and you know what she said : " Be patient Scorpions are coming with great surprises!!! How hypocritical is that!!!? They were continuying telling us lies and selling their *** event 30 minutes before the show...
I wrote my disappointed down on Nancy On The Rocks organisation facebook page, as many other people did, and they simply don't give a damn *** about it...they 're carrying on saying it was a great event instead...
You're speaking of making money... there's much to say here.

I'm sorry I'll will be honest and brutal in what I'll say next :
All the stories about Herman " communiqué"...is everything but official. I searched the web for it, it was neither on Herman site nor anywhere else... I saw on facebook it was coming from a phonecall of a member of the french official fan club gave to Herman... How legitimate are these guys to interfere with Scorpions internal problems, tell me that?
I don't believe what i don't see written down in front of my eyes. Sorry.

They may tell us lies, but at least they say sorry, because they know, Nancy sucked. What else do you need?
As someone who went to Nancy, i'd be waiting for one more thing : my money back for the ticket and the t shirt, something the organisation will never give me.

2- Rudolf and Pawel horrible performances on stage... Really??? I didn't notice. I did for James though. Ok
What the hell do we care they arrived drunk x hours before coming on stage? As long as they do what they have to do on stage, something, I swear, they did (except from James... and he apologized.)Again this is professionnalism.
They journalist seemed horrified to have seen them drunk ...lol go back to the 80's guy...I'm sure you'd have seen worse than that.

Only a few dates remain before they retire, I'm not gonna let 40 years of live performing ( something many bands do not do...let's not forget it) being stained by a little childish story which happened in a small French town.


For all the people who came over Europe for this show, join me for a petition on facebook, on which we'll ask our money back to Nancy On The Rocks!! <- The biggest liars. And I didn't say it all about Nancy's organisation...

Ron told me one thing after the concert which I totally approve : We come for Music...
I'm not the one who'll discuss about Michael who argued with his brother who was completely drunk by the way.... and bla bla bla...
Sorry I'm not 8 years old anymore.

Rock On.

[YNWA]

[marina]

DIEGO AND EMILIE, I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR DISSAPOINTMENT(I SHARE THE SADNESS IN THIS "WORLD" TOUR TOO) AND THE ANGER OF EVERY ONE THAT WAS IN NANCY, BUT, AS FAR AS SCORPIONS CAN LIE...

1.-PROMOTERS LIE (A LOT)
2.-JOURNALISTS LIE (MUCH MORE...I KNOW A STORY ABOUT THEM ARRVING ALL DRUGGED AND DRUNK WITH PROSTITUTES WHEN THEY ARRIVED TO LEON FOR THE SHOW IN PONFERRADA...LUCKY THAT ANDREA, ROXANNE AND ME WERE ALREADY THERE WAITING FOR THEM AND WE CAN TELL THERE WAS NO OTHER WOMEN....AND ALL OF THEM WERE FRESH, AND THEY ATTENDED US DESPITE THE LONG TRIP THEY´D JUST ARRIVED...IT´S A SHAME THE THINGS PEOPLE INVENT...)
3.- WE HAD THE WORDS HERMAN SUPOSSEDLY SAID TO AN INTERVIEW AND THEY ARE DIFFERENT BOTH FROM THE SCORPION´S MESSAGE AND THIS JOURNALIST MESSAGE

TO UP, I´M TOTALLY WITH GABI AND KADRA: WE HAVE TO ENJOY WHAT LIFE OFFERS US AND THANK THAT WE HAVE A BAND THAT CARES ABOUT FANS.

THAY MAKE MISTAKES, BUT AS LONG AS THEY RECOGNISE AND NEVER REPEAT THEM AGAIN AND APOLOGISE IN PUBLIC DUE TO THEIR FANS DEMANDS, IT´S A GREAT GIFT TO ME.

ANYWAY, KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECTO YOUR FEELINGS

[JüZe]

I was in Nancy too!
I'm sorry, but i didn't know anything about a reunion concert ( don't read it or see any promo ). So i'm waiting for another good scorps show - and it was a good show. Okay, James was really boring ( the drum solo was angry ) but from my point of view it was okay. Not the best show, but 2 h of Rock i know!
Now after reading all this artivles here i'm not surprised . . . But this is business with "stars" as always and you know: normally the scorps are professionel enough, but only humans!
In Lux last year, the whole band was drunken too, but the show was okay. Geneva was perfect, Stuttgart and Frankfurt superb!
I'm happy for the next shows i would see . . . And maybe to meet and see the band again!

But i'm dissapointed about the news from MG about more shows in the future ( 2014 in Brasil etc. ... ). Retire or not, but . . . Okay, will see

R'n'R' forever

[diego18]

Well we all have our opinion, it is not my intention to change nobody’s mind about anything or to offend anyone, all I say I do it with all my respect for all of you.

But well even if you believe the French article or not, it gives the answer to all the things that happened in Nancy, from why Uli played so late, why only one song with him and no one with the others.
At least there’s an explanation for everything
We have an apologize from James, but what the scorpions wrote is not an apologize, is just blaming others and denying that they knew everything. That for me is lying and insulting. They did know everything. That is unquestionable, there’s no way they could not know it.

Yes promoters may lie, also journalists

*Marina I remember the thing in ponferrada, that was an amazing show we all had a good time time there in september 2006 you, Andrea, Vanesa, Roxanne and me . But that thing you remember was said by the security kids ( I was going to say men, but I think they were or my age at the time or younger) as they were smoking their joints, also I remember the thing in Madrid in 2006, as you know I supported the band that time, because there was no doubt they were innocent, but this time I think is different.

I do not think the journalist says the people of the festival are an innocent angels, he even asks them why they did not cancel the show when the reunion thing was not going to happen, and I think the decition to continue was quite wrong.

I cannot find any reason for a journalist to invent an elaborated big lie that answers to everything like this one you suppose it is. He has more to loose than to gain saying that things. It seems the only ones who are innocent of everything are Michael, Uli, Herman, and Rudi. And after reading that I must say Uli showed being a fantastic guy, after all happened to him.

Well yes, the scorpions are humans just like us with their good things and the bad things. But they are professionals too, and this thing is not professional. The people is paying a lot of money to see a band or a certain kind of show, and when you find this kind of things your bloods boils in the veins. Same with this farewell tour it starts to be a bad taste joke, and even more if it as it seems it will continue the nexts years., with that thing in 2014 or so.

*Gabi I appreciate your message so so much, and I think you have all the truth in your words, and I tried to do it, I’d love to let this all go. I used to think in 2010 and 2011: “is the last time, so lets try to have a good time and forget about all the other!” but there are going too many things that I do not like, and I used to respect so much this group, and feeling that this respect and admiration I have feelt for many years is going for things like this hurts, that’s why I cannot let go, because this band has been with me all my life, and when I say all, is all, I have a “scorpions family”

But well as I said, I do not want to hurt nobody’s feelings here, we are only giving our opinion and sometimes, one person’s thoughts crash with the ones of another, but I also understand your thoughts and feelings but is impossible for me to share them.
Time heals, they say, but right now I do not count with it

[marina]

OFF TOPIC: I´M SURE YOU TOO REMEBER ALL THE THINGS RAFA BASA SAID THAT YEAR...AND HE IS ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS ROCK "JOURNALISTS" WE HAVE IN SPAIN... SAME SHAME

ABOUT THE SECURITY GUY SMOKING JOINTS, WELL, HE WAS SAYING THE MEDIA (THE JOURNALISTS) HAD TOLD HIM SO AND HE BELIEVED COS HE HAD BEEN BACKSTAGE AND HAD SEEN ALL THE ALCOHOL BOTTLES...HE WAS SO SCANDALIZED BY ALCHOL WHEN ALCOHOL IS LEGAL BUT NOT JOINTS (NOT IN THIS COUNTRY )

[YNWA]

Diego, of course, we`re just sharing opinions, not arguing .. Sorry if it seemed so..

As for me, I haven`t said that I do not believe or do believe this journalist. I said that as X can trust the band`s statment, Y can trust the article - and none of the both prove anything. Do you know why.. Cause we don`t have other sides (promoters&old members) statments. And if anybody wants to be objective, it just has to know what all the sides think about it (do not trust if someone said that someone told him that Herman told him.. bla bla bla). You/We need first hand info (from the 2 other sides) and we don`t have it... So we can just guess..

About the journalist, nope.. they do not lie intentiously, they just spice up stories too much. That`s in their journalist DNA.

But I can`t understand what are you so dissapointed of? Final Tour? Ok.. Most of us are very or not so much, but at all, quite dissapoined...

What else are you dissapoined of? Pau show... ? .. and?

I`m not arguing, I`m just asking with curiousity cause it seems you are more pissed off from Nancy`s show than the others, who were there, and at the same time I don`t find so many "Scorps fails" who can make anybody so angry (may be too strong word, sorry)...


Hope time will heal you pain and we`ll all have great and unforgetable time in Munich! Think that way: The best is SURELY yet to come!

[diego18]

OFF TOPIC: I´M SURE YOU TOO REMEBER ALL THE THINGS RAFA BASA SAID THAT YEAR...AND HE IS ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS ROCK "JOURNALISTS" WE HAVE IN SPAIN... SAME SHAME

ABOUT THE SECURITY GUY SMOKING JOINTS, WELL, HE WAS SAYING THE MEDIA (THE JOURNALISTS) HAD TOLD HIM SO AND HE BELIEVED COS HE HAD BEEN BACKSTAGE AND HAD SEEN ALL THE ALCOHOL BOTTLES...HE WAS SO SCANDALIZED BY ALCHOL WHEN ALCOHOL IS LEGAL BUT NOT JOINTS (NOT IN THIS COUNTRY )

That security guy was indeed funny

[diego18]

Diego, of course, we`re just sharing opinions, not arguing .. Sorry if it seemed so..

As for me, I haven`t said that I do not believe or do believe this journalist. I said that as X can trust the band`s statment, Y can trust the article - and none of the both prove anything. Do you know why.. Cause we don`t have other sides (promoters&old members) statments. And if anybody wants to be objective, it just has to know what all the sides think about it (do not trust if someone said that someone told him that Herman told him.. bla bla bla). You/We need first hand info (from the 2 other sides) and we don`t have it... So we can just guess..

About the journalist, nope.. they do not lie intentiously, they just spice up stories too much. That`s in their journalist DNA.

But I can`t understand what are you so dissapointed of? Final Tour? Ok.. Most of us are very or not so much, but at all, quite dissapoined...

What else are you dissapoined of? Pau show... ? .. and?


I`m not arguing, I`m just asking with curiousity cause it seems you are more pissed off from Nancy`s show than the others, who were there, and at the same time I don`t find so many "Scorps fails" who can make anybody so angry (may be too strong word, sorry)...


Hope time will heal you pain and we`ll all have great and unforgetable time in Munich! Think that way: The best is SURELY yet to come!

Yeah we are not arguing I just wanted to make sure that I do not want to argue with anyone, even if we have different opinions ( was just a preventive comment)


The thing with nancy is like it has been the drop of water wich finished to fill a glass, I do agree we would need more versions to make final statements, but I am afraid we will not... but to me that article haves total sense and as I said some times, it explains all.
I think it will be difficult to have another night to remember

Yes mostly of my deception comes from the tour, is crearly a tour just made to make money, not to say goodbye... as I said time ago, they are having some troubles, Klaus is sick a few times, so why a so high number of shows, if they were playing all around the world I would understand it is to please all the fans,, but they have been 3 years playing the same countries... that is not a goodbye. If they have problems doing too much shows, play less number of shows, and play more countries, yeah maybe you will win less money, but isn't rock around the world your life? what could be a better ending? maybe I am a dreamer about that but it is how I see it.

Yeah the thing about Pau... this is just speculations, but it is strange, nancy was announced as the final french show, thats why there was all the family reunion etc... and well in april some dates of the french tour were cancelled, and surprisingly they appear in november together with more french shows... This was just a though of mine.

And the oooold subject of the setlist, well if this is goodbye, it could truly be a better goodbye, and I know the could do it much better if they wanted, they have been with the autopilot all the tour.

Comeblack... .... what the hell was that?, that was not a gift to us as they say in interviews, it was another album, even if they called it a proyect or whathever, I though they did want to end with a strong studio album like sting in the tail was.

And the thing that I like the least, they are not the same band I have enjoyed and loved, Lenita explained better than me some pages ago, I share what she said.

I am going to stop, I look like an old grumpy old man saying I do not like this, I do not like that, it was better in the past etc .

Cheers to everyone