Against the 150,-€ tickets-event in France

[diego18]

I am a student and I don't work now, so as you can imagine I don't have too much money. But... you can find a solution to that problem. I was working this summer in a job (12 hours a day) in a fruit company to be able to go to the scorpions shows, and I was really almost death when I finished the month I made there.

I can testify that. ...I still have bad dreams about that month

[fos daddy]

Vlad im sure Alize wants to go but shes a student ,, Like several other young ppl
here .. travel and hotels are not cheap for ppl that dont work full time jobs as ourselves ...
I do believe that ppl that arent forum members could pay ..
But registered forum users should be invited for free ..
They could even have a contest for up to 10-20 ppl that are forum members to attend for free
or maybe offer a discount for students

I support your idea,...Forum members should be the first and for free!
As long you must be a member since some time,...otherwise we will have a lot of new members

But it is unfair. Why forum members should be the first or for free??? You talk about true fans who support the band for many years and who stand in the first rows at the show. Ok, but there are such fans and they aren't members of this forum. Please tell me why forum members deserve to be first and must have a special and free access to the band??? I don't think it's just because they blame Bono from U2 for many years.

Well i cant speak for the shows that are over there Vlad but here in usa and canada some ppl only show up on this forum when they hear the band is touring near by and thats it ..
Its 2011, almost every person out there has access to the internet ..
Some ppl have not been active fans for years ,, and here in the usa you'd find alot of ppl that will say they didnt know that the band was still together.
But like i stated theres quite a few students on this site .. some in high school, some in college .
They are good fans and they cant afford that kind of money ..
Those ppl should could get a discount for the meet and greet or free access through the forum.
That would be easy to do .. Your user name and a code given to you via email
So what does the potato farmer have to do with me supporting the young kids here
Including Alize ??

[Invitado]

Ok, but there are such fans and they aren't members of this forum. Please tell me why forum members deserve to be first and must have a special and free access to the band???

Well, you might have some point there , but, you can`t deny there`s some logic thinking that if you belong to the forum , you might have some preferencial treat. It`s what happens when you belong to any society , for instance if I belong to the Society of Hypertension I don`t have to pay to assist to their Congress, I understand this on the same way.

I don't think it's just because they blame Bono from U2 for many years.

What the hell has this to do with the discussion that`s going on here ?

[MatthiasJabs666]

Ce matin, j'ai lu mes mail, j'ai vu que Gerard Drouot m'envoie un mail "Scorpions: rencontrer les membres avant le concert"
Connaissant a peu prés l'état d'esprit Drouot, Je me dis "Putain, yes!!" Tout en croyant qu'une rencontre gratuite etais finalement ré-organisée, j'ouvre le mail avec euphorie et je lis:

SCORPIONS

Rencontrez les membres de Scorpions !


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DETAIL DE L'OFFRE :

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Et la j'etais une nouvelle fois dépitée, en pensant a nous, Fans de Scorpions! Eh oui, chaque jours qui passent est plus déprimant que le précédent lorsque l'on pense a cette "injustice"

[ScorpfanUkraine]

Ok, but there are such fans and they aren't members of this forum. Please tell me why forum members deserve to be first and must have a special and free access to the band???

Well, you might have some point there , but, you can`t deny there`s some logic thinking that if you belong to the forum , you might have some preferencial treat. It`s what happens when you belong to any society , for instance if I belong to the Society of Hypertension I don`t have to pay to assist to their Congress, I understand this on the same way.

So if we'll follow your "logic thinking" then anyone who resgistered here on the forum and wrote some messages automaticaly bacame a priveleged fan. On the other side we can have members who registered since the forum started and have thousands of messages. But some of these members just blame Amend and Bono from U2. This is what they are doing here.
So I don't think that you must have privilege just because you're a member of internet community.

As some of you might know Metallica have an official fanclub "Metclub" since 1996. To become a member of "Metclub" you must register and pay some money. You'll got 4 issues of "So What?!" fan magazine per year and special fanclub package. If you're a member of "Metclub" you have a privilege to be the first to buy concert tickets and have a chance to go to M&G before every show. All you need is register and wait for a lottery where they choose who won M&G with the band. That's great thing in my opinion. But also not a free one (Though it's cheaper than Scorps M&G in France).

[Invitado]

So if we'll follow your "logic thinking"

I didn`t say "logic thinking " in some pejorative way , so I don`t know why are you using inverted commas.

...and I wasn`t quite thinking what would be the most fair way to have this done . I could sit down and discuss about it with you, if you like.

But some of these members just blame Amend and Bono from U2. This is what they are doing here.

If you are talking about Tom, you might want to discuss the subject with himself . But I think that what we are doing here , is having some nice talk among friends about issues that concern the band....and I really support and respect someone who is having in mind that there are some youngers that are doing a big effort to follow the band.

I know the world resolves around money and economic issues , but the thought about it beign different seduces me ....I`m an Iron Maiden`s fan too.. but I would never consider beign part of forum cause the reason you just mentioned ... I`m not willing to pay to be a member of a fan base. I`m not judging though , just expressing my opinion.

[Inulka]

Vov, I've to agree with Adriana, that ppl who r registered on official site take a part of "comunity" - the fanclub.
So, Scorps decided that everyone may join their fanclub (this forum) for free.
Why ppl who follow the forum for years and make it live can't have a privilege? And I agree with Tom that nowadays there's no problem with internet access, so why "other" die hard fans don't register on official site? I think it's obvious that if u a fan of the band u go to register in official comunity. Ok, u may say that not all the ppl speak english. Well, in this case there r "local" fan clubs that Scorps "recognize": greek sting fan club or crazyscorps.com and so on. And u can make a lottery among them. Also how many ppl registered here would go to exact show? Don't think that so many, u may see it by the reviews in tour topic.

The other point is I wouldn't be against of M&G for money, but if it was not too much. The price of fan package is max. 70 euro. And I would make it so: fan-package + M&G 100 euro, just M&G 30 euro (since it's not a "party" wih a band but only a possibility to get autographs and make a pic together) , and I would sell fan package apart with other merch as well for 70 euro itself. In this case fans have a choice, at least those who don't have much money can "buy" only M&G or only merch. Or for example those who go to several shows in tour don't need several "fan-packages", they may buy it just once and other times order only M&G.

[Hans]

just my two cents (I guess this color is better to read than this read):

somehow I understand both sides. First of all: Many artists do that with this 'golden ticket', so why not also the Scorpions. And I have seen much higher amounts of required monay for it (remember: Kiss wants 1000€ for it, but there is also Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi (diamond circle tickets, without M&G). When you take a look at this, this 150€ ticket is somehow 'nice price'.

But on the other hand: First of all, being member of this forum for a long time and posting here every day/week/month makes this member not per se to a special fan. But it is for sure that this fan is someone who follows the band for a long time, goes to the concerts, buys the cd's, listens to their music. That's not for sure for someone who buys a golden ticket - it could be he buys it because 150€ is nothing for him or he just loves doing crazy things.

So if you make a kind of lottery or something here in this forum you can be sure you make someone really happy and the band will meet someone who loves them.

And last: I don't belong to the people who necessarily have to meet them. All they have to do for me is going on stage and make good music.

[Hans]

btw. if you find typing mistakes you can keep them. I still cant edit my posts

[Guest]

just my two cents (I guess this color is better to read than this read):

But on the other hand: First of all, being member of this forum for a long time and posting here every day/week/month makes this member not per se to a special fan. But it is for sure that this fan is someone who follows the band for a long time, goes to the concerts, buys the cd's, listens to their music. That's not for sure for someone who buys a golden ticket - it could be he buys it because 150€ is nothing for him or he just loves doing crazy things.

So if you make a kind of lottery or something here in this forum you can be sure you make someone really happy and the band will meet someone who loves them.

And last: I don't belong to the people who necessarily have to meet them. All they have to do for me is going on stage and make good music.

I agree with your point of view here, Hans, also with the last part of it - I do understand and sympathize with those who have a burning desire to see and meet the bandmembers from close, maybe even touch them, but I am not one of them.
But, like you said, being registered here for a long time and posting regularly means that you really want to be in 'the heart' of the fan base.

[diego18]

So all the scorpions' die hard fans are registered here???

What about some people (my father and uncle) who bought taken by force in 1978 and followed them since that moment with loyalty and have no idea about how to surf on the internet, aha! so according to that theory they are less fan than the fans here and should have less opportunities.

And is not only people like them (and I have meet a few), and from what I see somet of the people here just likes the scorpions and they aren't neither their favourite band or they are fans not interested in knowing them.

Never generalize anything, nothing is only as you think.

2nd and if someone doesn't like this m&g and is not going to buy it, why are they complaining, and telling that the ones who buy it are less or wathever if they are not going to buy it.

Let everyone decide from themselves what is good for them, same as the ones who decided is a bad idea will not buy it let the others in peace.

[DeepAndDark]

And is not only people like them (and I have meet a few), and from what I see somet of the people here just likes the scorpions and they aren't neither their favourite band or they are fans not interested in knowing them.

Exactly. I don't like Scorps, but I won't leave it because of the people I've met here.

[ScorpfanUkraine]

So all the scorpions' die hard fans are registered here???

What about some people (my father and uncle) who bought taken by force in 1978 and followed them since that moment with loyalty and have no idea about how to surf on the internet, aha! so according to that theory they are less fan than the fans here and should have less opportunities.

And is not only people like them (and I have meet a few), and from what I see somet of the people here just likes the scorpions and they aren't neither their favourite band or they are fans not interested in knowing them.

Never generalize anything, nothing is only as you think.

2nd and if someone doesn't like this m&g and is not going to buy it, why are they complaining, and telling that the ones who buy it are less or wathever if they are not going to buy it.

Let everyone decide from themselves what is good for them, same as the ones who decided is a bad idea will not buy it let the others in peace.

+1
That's exactly what I also want to say to all of you! There are also people who are the biggest fans and who never registered on this forum. Maybe they don't have time to post here. Maybe they don't want to do it. Maybe some other reason. It's their right. As an example I have a best friend who is also the big Scorpions fan. He collect their CD's, vynil etc. He visits their shows, meet the band. He's a true Scorpions fan. But he never registered on this forum. So what's wrong with this guy??? Also remember Nikshark or Nuno. These guys are the true Scorpions fans but you can't see them here everyday now. Of course reading upper posts I understood that in your opinion these people are not so great fans as you (registered forum members). You think that if you post here everyday that means you are the best fans in the world. I respect members of this forum and I know that many of you are true fans. Sorru but my opinion just doesn't coincide with yours on this issue.

[Guest]

You guys are right, of course, saying that also people who are NOT registered here can be really big, dedicated fans - and vice versa. Someone like me who posts every day enjoying the conversations but is no die-hard fan, couldn´t even appreciate enough an opportunity to meet the band. The whole subject is not that clear, after all, and maybe there´s no need to try and categorize that fans at all, then. Besides, it´s all hypothetical, since the fact remains: you pay or you don´t

[Hans]

btw., in my opinion, someone who buys this golden ticket must be somehow weird. As I have read some experiences and seen some videos plus have read the instructions for some M&G events, you must nuts to pay so much money for being treated like a product on a conveyor-belt. But if there are people who are willing to pay for this, so why not.

And especially the Scorpions gave their fans possibilities to meet them (if you wanted to, at least here in germany). Just remember the invitations of MJ to his store, the autograph sessions last year, the competition in the magazine 'rock-hard' where you could win a visit in the Scorps studio ...
And not to forget what experiences some fans had after / before the concerts when they met the band in the hotel and for example MJ or Rudi came to the fans for a photo, the party in the Hard Rock Cafe with James or how Pawel was sitting with some fans in the hotel bar after the concert in Singen.

but Diego and Vladimir, I guess you misunderstood something:
Nobody said that the fans on here are the extra, special, super fans and that's the reason why these people should earn some extra attention (I mean if they want to). If you want to give the band the chance or the possibility of doing something for their fans you have to show yourself as fan. There's no doubt there are a lot of great fans outside this forum here or the crazyscorps in france or the greeksting or the scorpsbrazil ... but the easiest way to get to the fans are these fan communities.

[fos daddy]

btw., in my opinion, someone who buys this golden ticket must be somehow weird. As I have read some experiences and seen some videos plus have read the instructions for some M&G events, you must nuts to pay so much money for being treated like a product on a conveyor-belt. But if there are people who are willing to pay for this, so why not.

And especially the Scorpions gave their fans possibilities to meet them (if you wanted to, at least here in germany). Just remember the invitations of MJ to his store, the autograph sessions last year, the competition in the magazine 'rock-hard' where you could win a visit in the Scorps studio ...
And not to forget what experiences some fans had after / before the concerts when they met the band in the hotel and for example MJ or Rudi came to the fans for a photo, the party in the Hard Rock Cafe with James or how Pawel was sitting with some fans in the hotel bar after the concert in Singen.

but Diego and Vladimir, I guess you misunderstood something:
Nobody said that the fans on here are the extra, special, super fans and that's the reason why these people should earn some extra attention (I mean if they want to). If you want to give the band the chance or the possibility of doing something for their fans you have to show yourself as fan. There's no doubt there are a lot of great fans outside this forum here or the crazyscorps in france or the greeksting or the scorpsbrazil ... but the easiest way to get to the fans are these fan communities.

Correct ..
There are alot of good fans here aged 14-25 that are still in school and cant afford this amount ..
As i said they should be offered a discount or free access
And yes Hans ,, your rushed in and rushed out .. and because Klaus was sick last summer here they started the fist shake .. I guess know one wants to buy sanitary hand cleaners
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[Inulka]

And I still think that it doesn't need much effort at least to be registered here. No need to post everyday but don't see a problem to get a registration.
When I got internet at home in 2004 the first thing I did after register an email was going to this site (I saw the address on the album's cover). I didn't use internet much be4 and hardly knew how it worked. But I figured it out. Nowadays when I live far from my parents the cheapest way to contact is through internet..and my parents had to learn how to use it.
So, do u think that if all die hard fans knew that among them scorps do a challenge for M&G be4 the shows wouldn't they register here? Diego18, wouldn't u register ur father and uncle for the possibility to win M&G?

Right now we have 2 sides: one is would be good to make challenge among the fans, but not all fans r registered here. The second is that the price for M&G is too high and not all true fans can permit it plus some rich ppl but not being real fans may buy M&G.
I still think that idea I gave be4 to sell apart merch and M&G with lower prices would work. Or give both opportunities: to win M&G by challenge or to buy it.

[phuong]

I"m still completely against this 150 € tickets-event in France because it smells like something fraud and undoubtedly unaffordable for a majority of fans.
Personally I taught part time for the whole summer but I couldn't earn that much. Currency differences rule.
We also have Live in 3D and Comeblack whatever, so it's like a bulk of stuffs in need already

Does the band need money that much?

P/S. My friends are huge Scorps fans but they don't register because they don't have internet at home/understand English. So being registered here doesn't represent our dedication to the band
I must say I'm registered, but I'm not really dedicated anymore.

[Scorplady]

You can be the biggest Scorpions fan in the world, but you can hate participating on forums, right? Or maybe because of a disability you have difficulty reading the forums. That doesn't make you less of a fan, you still should have the opportunity of other fans regardless of your forum sign up date or participation.

However, that said, I wish that the Scorpions had brought back the fan club from over 20 years ago now, where you paid a yearly fee, got a membership card and newsletters. For example, I'm in the Iron Maiden Fan Club and they still do that. Not only that, but they also have a "first to the barrier" where you have a chance at the opportunity of being the first to go into the venue to be up front. Since this is their last tour, it's a bit late to do that, but still I sure would love to run it!

You can't put a value on meeting the Scorpions, because that is priceless.

I would of loved to see a contest with the Golden Tickets though, so that everyone who is going to the shows in France has a chance of winning one. Like one per show. It doesn't have to be trivia, just a basic sign up so that folks who aren't willing to pay/aren't able to afford the cost have a chance at the opportunity.

Maybe they can do that for next year!

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