[rudiray]

Unfortunatly we lose daylight time.....

[Juho_Hiltunen]

I don't like the idea of Daylight Saving Time. An hour doesn't actually help us anyway and it only confuses most of the people.

-juho-

[Stormchaser]

I think Daylight Saving Time is great. I like getting the extra hour of evening sunlight in Summer, it allows me to get in a round of golf after work or spend more time fishing. It’s also beneficial for energy conservation. Studies done by the U.S. Department of Transportation show that Daylight Saving Time trims the entire country's electricity usage by a significant, but small amount, of less than one percent each day with Daylight Saving Time. We save energy in both the evening and the morning because we use less electricity for lighting and appliances. Daylight Saving Time saves energy for lighting in all seasons of the year except for the four darkest months of winter (November, December, January and February) when the afternoon advantage is offset by the need for lighting because of late sunrise.

Curious musing: On the morning of the switch back to Standard Time, twins are born 11 minutes apart. The first boy was born at 1:55 am. The second boy was born 10 minutes later, officially arriving at 1:05 am. Is the younger child legally older? If yes, who would be the heir as the oldest son?

[Eric]

Ha! Stormchaser, I pondered a similar question on a flight over the international date line. I'm sure Einstein had some thoughts about this too!

My guess based on my background (German-American or is that American-German?): if the babies were German, the exact time of day would be noted and the second baby born would be the 'eldest'. If the babies were American, the first baby born would still be the heir to appease the North American sense of fairness. On the other hand, my experiences with stereotypes prove that the exact opposite may occur!

[anna]

" Originally posted by Stormchaser
Curious musing: On the morning of the switch back to Standard Time, twins are born 11 minutes apart. The first boy was born at 1:55 am. The second boy was born 10 minutes later, officially arriving at 1:05 am. Is the younger child legally older? If yes, who would be the heir as the oldest son?

great! you made me smile, Storm... though actually i never liked that time changing... i have to to get up at 7 a.m. everyday, but when we turn the clock back, i have to get up at 6 a.m. !! i like sleeping... so to hell with electricity!
PS never mind my post

[anna]

PPS but why not to change clock back in summer and forward in winter? by that we will gain one hour of light in winter and save the electricity

[Juho_Hiltunen]

" Originally posted by Stormchaser
I think Daylight Saving Time is great. I like getting the extra hour of evening sunlight in Summer, it allows me to get in a round of golf after work or spend more time fishing. It’s also beneficial for energy conservation. Studies done by the U.S. Department of Transportation show that Daylight Saving Time trims the entire country's electricity usage by a significant, but small amount, of less than one percent each day with Daylight Saving Time. We save energy in both the evening and the morning because we use less electricity for lighting and appliances. Daylight Saving Time saves energy for lighting in all seasons of the year except for the four darkest months of winter (November, December, January and February) when the afternoon advantage is offset by the need for lighting because of late sunrise.

Curious musing: On the morning of the switch back to Standard Time, twins are born 11 minutes apart. The first boy was born at 1:55 am. The second boy was born 10 minutes later, officially arriving at 1:05 am. Is the younger child legally older? If yes, who would be the heir as the oldest son?



Well, I guess it depends on where you live.
Northern Finland where I live (about 68 decrees North) the summer shines allnight long from May to August. No matter what the clock says, it's always light. And on the other hand, from early December to
late February it's dark almost all the time. Yet again, clock is useless.

But I don't know about the energy saving effects.

-juho-

[Stormchaser]

" Anna: PPS but why not to change clock back in summer and forward in winter? by that we will gain one hour of light in winter and save the electricity
Most people maintain the same work and sleeping schedule throughout the year. In the Summer months, there is little need for electricity for lighting purposes in the morning because the sun rises so early. Turning the clock ahead one hour in the Summer still allows most people to awake with sunlight and not be in need of artificial light. In the evening is where the conservation applies, as there would be 1 less hour of darkness between the time people arrive home from work and retire to bed. If you reversed the time adjustment and turned the clock back one hour in Summer, you would get an extra hour of sunlight before you awake and one more hour of darkness between leaving work and going to bed. You are wasting sunlight in the morning while needing more electric generated light at night.

In the Winter, sunlight is so brief of duration that we need electricity for light both in the morning and evening. Adjusting the time in either direction would not make much difference from a conservation standpoint, but it would from a safety standpoint. If you didn’t turn the clock back to Standard time in Autumn, more children would be going to school in darkness. But personally, I’d prefer keeping Daylight Saving Time year round. Sunset at 4:22 pm. (Dec. 20 locally) is too damn early!

PS. Which post should I not mind?
" Juho: Well, I guess it depends on where you live.
Northern Finland where I live (about 68 decrees North) the summer shines allnight long from May to August. No matter what the clock says, it's always light. And on the other hand, from early December to
late February it's dark almost all the time. Yet again, clock is useless.

I suppose you are correct. People like yourself who live in extreme or higher Northern latitudes probably have no need for time adjustments. Daylight Saving Time only makes sense if you are minimizing the period of darkness before going to bed.

PS. How does such extreme opposites in seasonal daylight affect you? Is there a noticeable change in behavior in people during the two seasons?

[Juho_Hiltunen]

"
I suppose you are correct. People like yourself who live in extreme or higher Northern latitudes probably have no need for time adjustments. Daylight Saving Time only makes sense if you are minimizing the period of darkness before going to bed.

PS. How does such extreme opposites in seasonal daylight affect you? Is there a noticeable change in behavior in people during the two seasons?


Well, it does affect. Nowadays not so much because electricity changes the rhythm of life, but it's still easy to notice that summer and spring are the times when people hang around in the nights (might ofcourse be because holidays) and during winters people generally do their daily stuff and then go to bed and wait for the next day.
What I mean is that in winter the rhythm is very regulated and more or less same during the whole season but in summer people sleep less and more irregularly.

According to some researches, people are clearly more depressed during winter / dark periods but I haven't noticed anything myself. I know people who just wait 9 or 10 months until the summer comes, spent the summer with "full speed" and then start dreaming about the next summer.

For me personally the changing of seasons is not a problem because I generally like all of the 4 seasons and I'm not afraid of cold or anything.

-juho-

[Stormchaser]

" Juho: What I mean is that in winter the rhythm is very regulated and more or less same during the whole season but in summer people sleep less and more irregularly.

According to some researches, people are clearly more depressed during winter / dark periods but I haven't noticed anything myself. I know people who just wait 9 or 10 months until the summer comes, spent the summer with "full speed" and then start dreaming about the next summer.

For me personally the changing of seasons is not a problem because I generally like all of the 4 seasons and I'm not afraid of cold or anything.

Thanks for sharing your insight and perspective Juho. I think how these extremes affect people is largely due to their background. People in Chicago get depressed when the sun is obscured for only 1 week in Winter, and the gray days we get here are nowhere near the darkness you experience in Finland. People here are not accustomed to extensive periods of dark days, but people from your culture are. I imagine that since it’s just a fact of life in your country, you just accept the inevitable and mentally prepare yourself for the seasons.
I wonder which person would find it harder to adjust, a person from Chicago who spends a year in Finland, or a person from Finland who spends a year in Chicago?
" AllStarBiz: The joy of living in Australia.
G’day mate, welcome to the forum. A Bulgarian now “Down Under”. That must be a heck of an adjustment. By the way, great quote you referred to in your profile.

[desertScorpion]

Thanks Rudiray I will turn clock back .
hey dont have time to read everybody"s!

[anna]

" Originally posted by Stormchaser
" Anna: PPS but why not to change clock back in summer and forward in winter? by that we will gain one hour of light in winter and save the electricity
Most people maintain the same work and sleeping schedule throughout the year. In the Summer months, there is little need for electricity for lighting purposes in the morning because the sun rises so early. Turning the clock ahead one hour in the Summer still allows most people to awake with sunlight and not be in need of artificial light. In the evening is where the conservation applies, as there would be 1 less hour of darkness between the time people arrive home from work and retire to bed. If you reversed the time adjustment and turned the clock back one hour in Summer, you would get an extra hour of sunlight before you awake and one more hour of darkness between leaving work and going to bed. You are wasting sunlight in the morning while needing more electric generated light at night.

In the Winter, sunlight is so brief of duration that we need electricity for light both in the morning and evening. Adjusting the time in either direction would not make much difference from a conservation standpoint, but it would from a safety standpoint. If you didn’t turn the clock back to Standard time in Autumn, more children would be going to school in darkness. But personally, I’d prefer keeping Daylight Saving Time year round. Sunset at 4:22 pm. (Dec. 20 locally) is too damn early!

PS. Which post should I not mind?


thank you, Storm for serious answer on the un-serious question

[Sandra]

I haven´t!