[Aslan]

Ok I am starting this topic about history so that
we might be able to learn from one another....
Alexdeep this was your idea so please start us off...
Everyone is invited to ask questions about other
countries here and hopefully the questions can be
answered by someone from that country.......
THIS IS HOW YOU LEARN.......BY ASKING QUESTIONS...
KB/MJ

PS Healthy debates are welcome also.....

[VirginKiller]

That's my mother:D
Great idea...
I wanna know about the redskins in the US...aren't they the original americans...a good history will be great

[Aslan]

When I first read that I though you wanted info
on the Washington Redskins......
Ok yes by all archeaology and historical accounts
the Native Americans were the first ones here on
North and South America.......

http://www.tolatsga.org/Compacts.html

this is a site that will explain the history of
some of the major tribes in North America....
Happy Learning....
KB/MJ

[Julchinda]

Hey, is there anybody there who wants to learn anything about Russia? I can help ya!!=P

Hmm, what do I want to learn?.. Well, ANYTHING about Portugal!!!!!! I know NOTHING!!!!=))

[Stormchaser]

VK, I want to thank you for posting your question. I was going to expand on KB’s response and provide what I thought was the correct answer about the origins of North American cultures. I always held the “Beringian Bridge” theory to be true, but just to make sure I decided to do some researching on the subject. Thanks to you, I discovered through my research that what I always assumed to be true was incorrect. What a startling discovery to find not only the true facts, but also how the liberal establishment has tried to refute scientific discovery to further it’s politically correct bias. Here’s a summation of what I found.

The politically correct view of history reflects it’s anti-white bias and its deference to so called “Native Americans”. Traditional theory, The Beringian Bridge theory, espouses the conventional view that the first settlers of the Americas were Asian predecessors of Indians. The Beringian Bridge theory holds that large bands of Proto-Mongoloids (or those whom the politically correct romanticize as "Native Americans") migrated over a land bridge connecting the two continents twelve to fourteen thousand years ago.

Archeologists and scientists now believe two separate Caucasian cultures preceded American Indians, one by at least 4,000 years. Two prominent archeologists, Dennis Stanford and Bruce Bradley, suggested that the Solutrean people crossed the Atlantic from what is now northern Spain and southern France about 18,000 years ago and settled in North America, establishing what is now called the "Clovis" culture. The second culture was discovered with the unearthing of “Kennewick Man” in the state of Washington in 1996, who did not belong to any American Indian tribe. Dated around 9,300 years, Kennewick Man most closely resembles the Ainu of Japan - an early Caucasoid people which was the original race of Japan, pre-dating the Mongoloid types.

“Native Americans” have been battling in court to have the remains of Kennewick Man buried as a “Native American”, and have been helped in their effort in the past by the Clinton administration and other liberals. Indians vandalized and compromised the integrity of the remains to accomplish their aim. Motivated by their liberal and politically correct bias, Clinton’s administration worked hard at perpetrating the fraud to promote this politically correct but historically false history. Bruce Babbit, the former Secretary of the U.S. Interior Department under Clinton, spun this: "Although ambiguities in the data made this a close call, I was persuaded by the geographic data and oral histories of the five tribes that collectively assert they are descendants of people who have been in the region of the Upper Columbia Plateau for a very long time," according to the Associated Press. And with that pretext, he decided that Kennewick Man was to be given to five American Indian tribes who claim him as an ancestor. Fortunately, the U.S. District Court for Oregon dismissed Babbitt's conclusion as ''arbitrary and capricious''.

Subsequently, science has defied the “politically correct” establishment by verifying the remains to be Caucasoid. Therefore, the long held view that “Native American” Indians were the first cultures inhabiting North America has been proven false. The first culture is now believed to be the “Clovis”, a white culture originating from Europe, followed by Kennewick Man, a Caucasoid culture originating in Japan.

Anyone interested can search under “Clovis” or “Kennewick Man” in your search engine for much broader data on the subject.

[Aslan]

Stormy....May I ask you where you got this information
Go look at my profile and see what I do for a living....
KB/MJ

PS I will be reading the legal documents for this
case on the Kennewick Man this weekend......
Some times I really DISLIKE my government.....

[Alexdeep]

Thanks KB!
Once again Happy birthday!
There are many things i â like to hear your opinion - some of them:
1. Eastern culture. Classical history tells us tha China brought us many inventions like compass .. I ìó heard other version - it says that there were no great eastern culture - because all the thing were stolen (or better got) from Europe..
2. There is a version that Egypt was a nation for burring great people from diffrent countries - it means that egyptians were making money by burring famous people in Pyramids for money.
3. Shliman didn't find Troya - it was some city but why troya? He said it was, but there are no proofs .. KB i guess it is close to you..
4. There were no gladiator fights at all.
I am waiting for your comments and can post here more information about each problem i've mentioned.
At the whole - are you, guys, for "History of versions" to be taught at schools or for "one line classical history"?

[VirginKiller]

MJ ...on the site you gave me it says that Colombus wasn't the firstone to discover america....it was the Vikings...as I have a thing to do I think I'll work on this idea..but I just wanted to ask you if it can make 10 minutes of talking...cuz I have 10 min of presentation

[Aslan]

VK....yes we can make it 10 minutes long if that is
what you need.....and as I do for my own kids here
I will help you with your homework......First you
must understand that the "america" that you are
refering to with the Vikings is North America...
Second Colombus landed
in South America about 500 years after the Vikings...
The site that you are refering to is the L'Anse aux
Meadows in Newfoundland and it is under control of
the Canadian Park Systems.....it is also a
UNESCO World Heritage Site.....

http://whc.unesco.org/heritage.htm
look under Canada for the link to L'Anse....

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/vikings/
this site will give you the best information
of the lives of the Vikings while they were at
the Meadows.......also includes info on Erik the red
and Leif the Lucky....plus Viking traditions....
If you like e-mail me your rough draft and I will
check it and make any corrections if needed...
if you need more help let me know
Enjoy
KB/MJ

[Stormchaser]

AlexDeep: At the whole - are you, guys, for "History of versions" to be taught at schools or for "one line classical history"?
I think it’s important that the truth regarding historical events is known. If there are differing versions of an historical event that can be verified with factual data or evidence, those versions should be presented. I think at the lower levels of education teachers should just stick to the facts. Some teachers in my country distort or ignore facts or present the facts in a way to advance their political agenda (“revisionist history”). I also think it’s inappropriate for teachers at that level to editorialize about events and inject their bias.

[Alexdeep]

Storm - the problem is really about FACTS. I was very surprised to know that the history of country taught in schools was based on one note written by a man in 15th century... And it is telling us about the events in 10th century... Would you believe such a "fact"?

[Aslan]

The things taught at school is meant for those
willing to be "spoon fed" the information....If
a topic peaks your interest sometimes you must
research it on your own and make your own judge
on what did or did not happen......
Case in point......the Kennewick Man and Clovis...
There is no written record to prove that either
are or are not of Native American descent but one
must use the evidence found at dig sites, oral
traditions and good old common sense to determine
what is true and not true......but what I might think
is BS is another person's claim to fame....
So do I believe Clovis are from Spain and France
and sailed the Atlantic.......no
Do I think that the Kennewick Man is not Native
American......I don't know.....I need more time to
look at somethings.....
http://www.friendsofpast.org/
here is a site about what is being done about the
Kennewick man....the last court date was Sept of
2003...........
So hope I didn't babble here and happy hunting
for what you would call history.......
KB/MJ

And a special thank you to my spell check Nancy

[Stormchaser]

Alex, that sounds very interesting. On the surface, I’d say no, but I’d really need to know more. Without evidence to support the note, the only “fact” is that the man wrote the note. And can that “fact” even be proven? It’s certainly not a very solid foundation on which to base historical doctrine, but perhaps a foundation for hypothesis or theory. There has to be more. Of which man and which country do you speak?

[Stormchaser]

KB: So do I believe Clovis are from Spain and France
and sailed the Atlantic.......no

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Since you area scientist, it carries considerable weight. What do you think are the origins of Clovis and how would you classify them?
KB: must use the evidence found at dig sites, oral
traditions

But sometimes oral traditions are unreliable and the story can change so substantially over time that the story today bares little or no resemblance to the original story. Also, the very basis for some oral traditions is not necessarily from fact. It’s unfortunate that in the case of Kennewick Man, oral traditions were attempted to be utilized as the basis for determination instead of science.

[Aslan]

Just a small note before work....whoopie
shovel test in the freezing cold....I love my
job...
Stormy....and some times science is unreliable
and when dealing with prehistoric artifacts there
is no perfect science....
And while we are on the subject of oral tradition
lets think about this....why might the stories handed
down through the generations have changed....
Could it be that the US government had a hand it in...
Hhhhmmmmm.....think about this and I will explain
tommorrow....
KB/MJ

I am not the norm when it comes to Native American
rights and archeaology...I have been told I take
the wrong side....

http://www.fundacionatapuerca.com/pc.htm

[The Chicken]

i can teach you somethings about my instrument, the bass guitar.

[Alexdeep]

Bass guitar???? Where am I?? Who is here???

KB! What s about my questions? Do you know smthg about Shliman?
Storm - I'll put more information recently.. By the way i've talked about Russia..
About artifacts - I was also really surprised to know that scientists have no instruments to measure PRECISELY the date of existing this or that thing from the past.. Technologies are not so good.. There are many mistakes, anf methods are really not ideal.. That makes us think over our thoughts about history again...

[giggs11]

wow cool infi here ,good topic u started kb ,, hmmm if any one want to know about asian countries your welcomed to ask me, but i have no Q's so far ...chill
-giggs11-

[Silver]

Originally posted by giggs11
wow cool infi here ,good topic u started kb ,, hmmm if any one want to know about asian countries your welcomed to ask me, but i have no Q's so far ...chill
-giggs11-


Giggs11,
Skip and I are travelling to Thailand in a few weeks and we would like you to tell us what to expect. What does their beer taste like and which is the best one?

[The Chicken]

Originally posted by Alexdeep
Bass guitar???? Where am I?? Who is here???

I'm sorry about this hehe, but bass guitar has a histoty anyway.