[Sandra]

My thougts are on Siegfried and Roy, hope Roy gets helthy soon and get full recovery!

[rudiray]

Saw the interview tonight with Larry King who talked with Siegfried and their manager .It was very informative......seems that Roy feel down during the act and the tiger went over to him and dragged him off by the neck....Could have easily killed him but was actually trying to protect him like when mothers move their cubs....unfortunatly Roy is not a cub....but he refers to them as his kids....
I have much admiration for them and the great work they have done preserving those animals for future generations.......My prayers go out to them............

[beowulf]

Ok. I wanted to wait until the Siegfried interview on Larry King Live was over before posting on the website.
Rudiray, you are right. The tiger was protecting Roy after he had fallen on stage. It was a normal instinct of the tiger to protect him. Roy prefers that the tigers treat him like he was a tiger.
On account of, the tigers that are born at their homes and at the Mirage are always placed in Roy's lap by the mother tiger. As Roy always puts itthe first face the see is me, the first voice they hear is mine. So, naturally they think that I am a tiger."
Siegfried did say that if the tiger wanted to kill him then Roy would have been dead in a matter of minutes.
Siegfried also said that Roy noticed that something was a little off with the tiger and that was when he placed himself in between the audience and the tiger. That was when he fell and the tiger grabbed him by the arm. After that Roy gave the tiger a couple of taps on the nose with the microphone and then the tiger grabbed him by the neck and dragged him backstage. The tiger knew that Roy would be safe there, but the tiger didn't know that he was hurting Roy.
Siegfried did say that Roy is communicating with him and that they have come up with a code.
So, it is great to know that he is communicating and doing well.
Siegfried also said that Roy has a strong will and it is pure magic that he has survived this long.
I just hope that the magic continues to grow and he continues to heal and Siegfried continues to keep his spirits up.
Now, some of you have asked about the animals. I just want to say this. The tigers were aquired through the Cincinnati Zoo and the first white tigers were born at the Jungle Palace. They have aquired a few animals through other breeders or from people who had given them the animals. however, a large majority of their animal family have been born at their homes, Jungle Palace and Little Bavaria. A few of the animals have been born at the Secret Garden since it's opening. they have never taken an animal out of the wild or poached their animals out of the wild.
In fact, they have a goal in life to return the animals back to the wild, but that goal is a long way off. I'll explain a little later on (may be in another post).
Siegfried also said that the show will continue in one way or another, but he will not do it without Roy.
I have a lot of faith that when they do return to the stage it will be a bigger and better stage show that the world has yet to see.
I know that I just left their fanbase and a lot of the fans posted on the message board that after they watched the Larry King interview that they cried and hoped that Siegfried will never be left alone in their house. Their fans are worried about the two of them.
Silver, you called me naive before. I just want to say this, I am not naive. They are not gay! I can't stress this enough. They are old world Germans who don't talk about their private lives. Even if they were, then I say more power to them. I say that if anyone here is gay then I sayYou go girl or boy and let the world know who you are and be proud of it."
As for their home, they do not have pictures of guys hugging or holding each other on the walls. The pictures are replicas of the Sistine Chapel along with murals of tigers and other animals. So what if they decorate their house with a lot knick knacks or what have you. They express themselves in the way they decorate their homes. They are two men who embrace many different cultures and types of religions. They show it in the different rooms of their homes. If you would pick up one of their books then you would know this.
For now, I have spoken enough of this subject about their lifestyle and instead I will continue to concentrate on posting updates as I check the various channels including the fans.
by the way, the Las Vegas Review Journal has set up a message board for people to post messages to Siegfried and Roy. I urge everyone here to post messages on the various channels that I have given in earlier posts.
Everyone wish them well and hope that the magic within them continues to grow and heals both of their hearts and spirits.
Candy

[beowulf]

Now, everyone here wants to know if the animals are better off in their natural habitats instead of with the two illusionists. A million dollar question, right! Wrong!
The animals are better off with Siegfried and Roy. There are reasons for this and here are the reasons.
Mankind has been slowly destroying the animals natural habitats for centuries. We have clear cut the forests, strip mined the mountains, caused oil spills, cut down the rainforests, and set fires. We have fought wars with each other within jungles, deserts, and in fields. All in the name of the preservation of the human race. We have destroyed their habitats and breeding grounds and caused the animals to come into our backyards and within the cities. We have nearly caused the extinction of almost every single species of animal on this planet. We have upset the natural balance of nature and caused everything to go to hell.
If it wasn't for breeding programs, individuals like Siegfried and Roy, and the zoos, then the animals would be all gone. The animals would be just a distant memory, a picture in a book, or something to view in a museum.
These people have brought the large cats back from the brink of extinction and for that I am grateful.
Siegfried and Roy have once said that their dream is to release their animals back into the wilds, but sadly that dream may never come true.
Until every human on this planet learns to live in peace and learns that we are not only sharing this planet with ourselves, but with the animals as well. Then I say that the animals are better off with Siegfried and Roy.
I watched on tv a few year ago a National Geographic Special on large cats. They showed a white tiger cub crawling into a village barely alive. The reporter asked a villager about the tiger cub and if anyone was going to help it. One of the villagers told the reporter why should they because it would only grow up to be an adult and kill their livestock. These villagers were actually wanting the tiger cub to die. The reporter got the cub to a animal sanctuary a few miles away, but it was too late. The cub died of starvation. It turns out that the cub's mother was poisoned by the villagers and when she died the cub couldn't survive on it's own.
It broke my heart when I saw that special and I cried thinking about what if that cub had been born within a breeding program. Then that cub would be alive today.
Poachers have been killing off these majestic animals for their hides, organs, and body parts for remedies or to give us something to adorn our homes and bodies with. While farmers have slowly poisoned them, to keep their livestocks alive.
Because of this these animals don't live very long in the wild, but within breeding programs they live for thirty years or more.
Until we learn from our mistakes and to live in harmony with nature, the animals, and ourselves. I say let Siegfried and Roy keep their animals. I say let them continue their worldwide breeding programs. I say let them live in peace and to follow their example. "Look for the magic that is all around you. In your hearts and in nature." Words said by two great men in this world, Siegfried and Roy. We are better off having them share this planet with us and for knowing them.
Candy

[beowulf]

Here's a new update. On Primetime Live, they will talk about Siegfried and Roy. You can catch it tonight on ABC at 10:00pm Eastern Standard Time.
Siegfried brought Roy his favorite dog to the hospital and the dog is still with him and he's been petting the dog.
This just shows that he has a strong will to have survived this long.
Tscorps, this is customary of Siegfried and Roy and celebrities. Their dressing room walls are covered with pictures of them with celebrities. They even have celebrities who see the show sign a guestbook with their thoughts about the show.
In fact, they have a gallery on their website showing pictures of them with the celebrities that have seen their show.
The website is http://www.sarmoti.com. Lately, the website has been slow and down due to all of the fans logging onto it. If you can get on the website, it is well worth the trouble.
I'll keep posting the updates as I go between the Siegfried and Roy fanbase and here.
Candy

[NUNO FILIPE]

oh goshe thankxxx

[beowulf]

I got this recent update from the Siegfried and Roy fanbase. Roy is able to breathe on his own today. Before Roy was on a ventilator with a tube down his throat, but he is breathing on his own.
I'll keep everyone posted as I get the updates.
Candy

[gohesse]

You know, we have a habit to get carried away when big news shock us and media keeps covering the case but after a while things calm down, and many people tend to forget about it...though it doesn't mean issue is over.

[beowulf]

OK. Here's another update that I got after reading the fanbase message board and this was reported by KLAS-TV out of Las vegas. They reported that Roy was able to sit up in a chair. Also, they are weaning him off the ventilator.
So, all of this is very good news.
Here is another message board to send well wishes to Siegfried and Roy. There is one that the news station is setting up. It is at http://www.klas-tv.com.
Also, Entertainment Tonight will be showing the lost interviews of Roy either Friday night or Saturday night on NBC. I am assuming it is Saturday night.
I know Gohesse that everyone tends to get carried away with big news and people tend to forget, but something like this happening is something that no one will ever forget.
Also, when I put this post up here, I didn't know if anyone was a Siegfried and Roy fan so I thought that I would let any fans of theirs here know about it in case they hadn't heard the news.
As time went on it's now become a way for me to cope with what has happened to them by posting the updates here. I know that on the fanbase message board no one has a way to cope with this tragedy and a lot of people have been yelling at each other and crying over what has happened. There are a lot of angry and depressed people on that message board right now.
I have been thinking about putting up some MP3s of a few Scorpions songs for them to listen to, so may be some music might help them cope a little bit more better.
Also, since the Scorpions are friends of theirs, then I hope that they appreciate the updates on Roy's condition because I heard that the German newspaper Bild isn't doing a good job about posting updates about Siegfried and Roy.
Just keep praying for Siegfried and Roy everyone and keep them in your thoughts still.
If anyone has any words of encouragement for the Siegfried and Roy fanbase then let me know here because they could use it right now.
Candy

[Wendy]

You dumb woman!
They are very gay, and everyone knows.

[beowulf]

Wendy, excuse me, but you are the dumb one here. They are not gay. IF YOU BOTHER TO READ THEIR BIOGRAPHY, YOU WILL FIND THAT THEY HAVE HAD SEVERAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH HETEROSEXUAL WOMEN. I MEAN SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS.
Everyone else they are not gay. Believe me it's single heterosexual woman's radar that tells me so.
So Wendy do me a favor and SHUT UP ON SUBJECTS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT. OK.
Candy
By the way Wendy, BITE ME!

[beowulf]

OK. Here's another update.
Doctor's are giving Roy 95%-98% chances at survival. He's been breathing for hours without the use of the ventilator. He squeezes people's hands at full strength and there is no brain damage whatsoever.
So, all of this is great news that he is getting better and better everyday.
Entertainment Tonight will be showing the Lost Interviews of Siegfried and Roy tonight on NBC. The Larry King Live interviews will be reshown again. One tonight and the other one tomorrow on CNN.
If there is any more updates, I'll post them here.
Candy
Let's keep their sexuality out of this ok. The most important thing here is a human life and that is all that should matter.

[Sheryl]

" Originally posted by beowulf


Let's keep their sexuality out of this ok. The most important thing here is a human life and that is all that should matter.


I agree with you here Beowulf. This man is fighting for his life and that is the only thing that matters right now. I personally don't give a rat's a$$ about anyones sexual preference and I really don't understand why it should matter to anyone. Decent people come in all shapes and sizes, know what I mean. These two have done so much for the preservation of big cats, I feel we are all fortunate the share the planet with them.

To Wendy--shame on you for your personal attack of Beowulf. The fact that she doesn't share your opinion does not mean she lacks intelligence.

Beowulf, thanks again for the updates on Roy's condition, they are appreciated

[rudiray]

Thanks again Beowulf for all the updates..
Glad to hear things are looking up for Roy..
I`m sure his fav dog by his bedside was of help more than we could know....The dog doesn`t care about people`s sexual preferences.....unconditional love is what its all about.......we could learn from our animal friends what alot of humans have failed to learn..........mmm

[Wendy]

" Originally posted by beowulf
.
... they are not gay. Believe me it's single heterosexual woman's radar that tells me so.
Candy
By the way Wendy, BITE ME!


Something must be jamming that radar of yours because it's selecting some wrong targets for you.
Let me guess Candy. They both fell in love with you because you are after all, the biggest fan.
That clip, (on Larry King), of that sequin clad clown straddling the Tiger was about as inspiring as a bucket of wet sawdust in the rain forest.! Perhaps now is the time that National Geographic sanctioned preserves be established for this rare breed. Anything just to get them away from these two fruits and their pathetic side show.

[beowulf]

I'm sorry folks that I didn't get a chance to post yesterday, but I was *****ed off and had to calm down a bit first.
Here's another Siegfried and Roy update. Roy is doing very well and expected to make a full recovery. In about two days, he will be removed from the ventilator.
Now, the reason why I was *****ed off.
I had come from PETA's website and become totally angered. It seems that PETA is using this incident to further their own agenda as well as a few celebrities. It is so unbelievable how people can use this to attack someone both professionally and personally.
It is so unbelievable.
By the way, there will be a prayer vigil in Las Vegas again at the hospital on Sunday.
I will be sending a personal, strongly worded email to PETA tomorrow. I hope to kick PETA butt, too.
Now, about all these animal experts who said that this was an attack. This was not an attack it was an unfortunate accident because if it wanted to kill him, he would have been dead in a matter of seconds. There was only two puncture wounds found on his neck. One puncture is what severed the artery in his neck. There was no tear in his costume nor wounds on his arm. The tiger was trying to protect him because he fell on stage and thought that he was hurt.
If the PETA people and animal experts want to see an animal attack, then may be they ought to be rounded up and have raw meat shoved down their pants. Then turn a few tigers loose on them and there will be your animal attack. Sorry for being a little hard, but that's the truth. (Oh, yeah I'm still a little angry.)
I ought to know the difference myself. I work with dogs in the kennel that come from abusive homes and breeders. A lot of the dogs have severe wounds both mentally and physically on them when they come to us. I have bitten and attacked before, so I definitely know the difference. Luckily though I haven't been too injured. I do believe though that an abused animal can be worked with enough and rehabilitated to forget the abuse. Only sometimes though does one of our dogs flashback to their abuse and does become violent, but I try to calm them down until they return to their senses. They always do.
Siegfried and Roy have rescued some of their animals from environments like that, so at least I'm not the only one with the same belief as them.
More updates will be soon hopefully.
Candy

[beowulf]

Wendy, I don't appreciate the fact that you choose to attack two friends of mine.
By calling them sequined clad clowns, then you just show how prejudiced that you can be.
I will admit that I have never meet them before. I just became friends by way of helping out their fan club in Germany.
They emailed me a few times through their private email and through letters.
So, did I ever say that I was in love with them no. I just defended them and their sexuality. I know that they are heterosexual because I read their biography and they state many times that they have had girlfriends and relationships with many women. This is how I know and there is nothing wrong with my radar. May be their is something wrong with yours.
Like I have said before, I will continue to defend them from narrow minded and prejudical people like you. If anyone on this board ever comes out and says that they are gay, then I will defend them too as a friend and nothing more.
Besides I don't see nothing wrong with being gay. In high school, I had a friend who was gay and he is the nicest and sweetest guy you would ever want to meet.
As far as National Geographic goes, then you should learn to pick up a book. They don't sanction preserves. The USDA sanctions them. National Geographic is just a magazine and now a show on tv.
The USDA and animal welfare has found nothing wrong with Siegfried and Roy nor where they keep their animals.
You know I have seen the so-called preserves and sanctuarys on tv and I have found a lot of things wrong with them. They say that the animals are in their natural habitat, but the only thing that I see are a lot of animals in cages. I guess a cage is their idea of a natural habitat.
However, Siegfried and Roy's animals have their own waterfall, pool, run of the homes and large outdoor, natural haitats for them to live in.
National Geographic does not have the time nor money to make preserves.
As far as their show being called a pathetic side show goes, I've got this to say. Their show is not pathetic. They use their show to educate people about these animals and about conservation.
So, attack me all you want. I don't care, but attack a friend of mine and I'll go after the attacker.
Wendy I just want to leave you with one more thing. It takes a fruit to know a fruit. Try and figure that one out.
Excuse me, I've got to go and kick some PETA butt.
Candy
By the way, I wonder how people would handle it if I told a little secret about me on the board. I guess that I would be attacked too by people who had no idea about who I am.

[Sheryl]

WooooHoooo Candy, your go girl!!! Kick some PETA butt!!! I may join you in that. It amazes me how the PETA people can twist things up. Well I'm off to the PETA website.

[beowulf]

Another update here but this one concerns Manitcore. He will be released from quarantine today. He was given a clean bill of health by the veterinarians. Everyone will be happy and relieved to know that he will not be destroyed and he will remain at the Secret Garden and rejoin the other animals there.
I'll let everyone know if their are any more updates.
Candy

[rudiray]

Once again, thank you for the updates bewulf. Very informative......dont let`em get to you.........