THE NAME OF THE GAME ....FOOTBALL!

[Gość]

I hope everything goes well for this kid Fabrice Muamba

I hope so, it was horrible ... My thoughts are with Eric Abidal now, too

[therocker]

Juventus-Milan 1-2, we are too good for them.....

[Gość]

Barcelona has just beaten Granada 5:3 and what a match! Messi's hat trick, Alves's red card, very boring first half and exciting the second one!

[Invitado]

I`m so glad to read Fabrice news !! He doesn`t need assited ventilation and he is awake , and has recognized family , wich means there`s no brain damage ,....cool news !!

[Adrian]

Juventus-Milan 1-2, we are too good for them.....

"WE"? bro, are u a fan of Milan? ......if yes....i'm going to delete you from my list of friends

[Hans]

Juventus-Milan 1-2, we are too good for them.....

"WE"? bro, are u a fan of Milan? ......if yes....i'm going to delete you from my list of friends

huch, and I thought the best club in italy was Lazio Rom

[Leb Yellow Butterfly]

well, my favourite in Italy has always been Juve, since the Del Piero days

[therocker]

Adry, now who's gonna listen to him, we have to wash our linen at home, maybe it is not really english this one, but I hope it gives the idea.... sure I am from all my life....

Dear Hans and Adry

Do I need to make the history of the last 25 years of Milan Bayern Munich ??????

[therocker]

The spanish meaning of your name is saying smth Nada ????

[Leb Yellow Butterfly]

The spanish meaning of your name is saying smth Nada ????

hehehehe...wait! it's gonna say something else now: BAYERN UBER ALLES

[therocker]

Ja, ja.....
In this case you just have to join the club above.....there are free places, worry....

[Hans]

Dear Hans and Adry

Do I need to make the history of the last 25 years of Milan Bayern Munich ??????

he, he, no you don't have to recall the statistics. I know usually a german team could not compete with a team of the series A, even Bayern Munich. The same holds for teams from England or Spain. That's all a question of money. And there had also been a time in Italy when the clubs could spend much more money on players than they could earn (a player of I guess it was Milan once said: It's easier to get a starter position in the national team than in a team of the Series A).
And you still can see some relicts of it, for example Zlatan Ibrahimovic had been the player with the highest salary (it's said he gets 11 mio €/year). No Bundesliga club could affort such a player.
In former also the german clubs preferred to spend money on foreign players. This is different now. About ten years ago the DFB (=german football association) instructed the clubs to invest in the youth. Now every club of the Bundesliga and the 2. Bundesliga has a youth centre with professional trainers, ... and all of a sudden here in germany are players like Götze, Reus, Schürrle, Kroos, ...

we'll see what the future might bring

[therocker]

That's exactly why I appreciate your opinions, you are fair. It's all sad but true in what you mentioned....
It maybe wrong, (it is wrong for sure), but when you find yourself in the middle of this dance you have to keep on dancing, can't surrender, not at that levels.
Anyway I am a supporter in good and bad days, what can I do....

[Leb Yellow Butterfly]

fair opinions coming from both of you guys! can't but appreciate both posts..

[Leb Yellow Butterfly]

however, I've always been wondering Hans, why cannot the Bundesliga clubs afford paying high amounts for players? or is it just part of their strategy to invest in their young german players, as you said?

[Hans]

Anyway I am a supporter in good and bad days, what can I do....

that's what makes you to a real fan. I am supporter of Mönchengladbach now for 40 years in good and in bad days

[Hans]

however, I've always been wondering Hans, why cannot the Bundesliga clubs afford paying high amounts for players? or is it just part of their strategy to invest in their young german players, as you said?

that's a question of economy. For example Bayern Munich also wanted to be one of the best teams in europe (what they are) but in an economic healthy way. But take a look at the nations where the superstars play and compare it with germany:

(in former) Italy: Ok, football is also here in Germany sports #1, but the italians are absolutely crazy about football. So it is (was) easier to get investors. For example the boss of Fiat had been patron of the Juventus Turin. And who else put his money into a football club might Elton know better than me.

England: In England you can buy a football team (but I don't know how exatly this works). So some russian billionaires who don't know what to do with their money put it in these clubs. Once Uli Hoeness said, if Abramowitsch had to pay one billion to win the UEFA champions league he would do it. Or look at Manchester City which had always been a mid ranked team. Now they are standing on top of the Premier League because of a russian patron.

Spain: The both top teams are Barca and Madrid. Each team has outstanding debts of about half a billion €. Something like this is not possible in Germany. If you have so much outstanding debts in this amount, you get no license for the 1. or 2. Bundesliga. Just some years ago this nearly happened to Borussia Dortmund (it was really close). And the arrears of Dortmund had been ridiculous in comparison to Madrid or Barca.

That's why never a non german player with the class of Kaka, Ronaldo or maybe Messi will play for a Bundesliga club. It has not so much to do with the invest in the youth. That had another background. Here in germany we were used to be succesful with our national team. But after the Euro '96 the national team became bad (in fact: the years between 1996 and 2006 had been hard). The low point had been the euro 2000 when germany had to drive home after the group stage. And one reason for this was that the german clubs bought players (most of them from eastern europe) instead of developing the youth.
So after the euro 2000 the DFB instructed the clubs to setup professional centres for the youth. The first result had been Podolski and Schweinsteiger. And in former nearly no U21 national player found his way to the Bundesliga. As I said the clubs preferred to buy players in comparison to develop a young own player. Now look at the german U21 which won the euro 2009. I guess you already heard of the one or the other player:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_UEFA_ ... ampionship

[Leb Yellow Butterfly]

however, I've always been wondering Hans, why cannot the Bundesliga clubs afford paying high amounts for players? or is it just part of their strategy to invest in their young german players, as you said?

that's a question of economy. For example Bayern Munich also wanted to be one of the best teams in europe (what they are) but in an economic healthy way. But take a look at the nations where the superstars play and compare it with germany:

(in former) Italy: Ok, football is also here in Germany sports #1, but the italians are absolutely crazy about football. So it is (was) easier to get investors. For example the boss of Fiat had been patron of the Juventus Turin. And who else put his money into a football club might Elton know better than me.

England: In England you can buy a football team (but I don't know how exatly this works). So some russian billionaires who don't know what to do with their money put it in these clubs. Once Uli Hoeness said, if Abramowitsch had to pay one billion to win the UEFA champions league he would do it. Or look at Manchester City which had always been a mid ranked team. Now they are standing on top of the Premier League because of a russian patron.

Spain: The both top teams are Barca and Madrid. Each team has outstanding debts of about half a billion €. Something like this is not possible in Germany. If you have so much outstanding debts in this amount, you get no license for the 1. or 2. Bundesliga. Just some years ago this nearly happened to Borussia Dortmund (it was really close). And the arrears of Dortmund had been ridiculous in comparison to Madrid or Barca.

That's why never a non german player with the class of Kaka, Ronaldo or maybe Messi will play for a Bundesliga club. It has not so much to do with the invest in the youth. That had another background. Here in germany we were used to be succesful with our national team. But after the Euro '96 the national team became bad (in fact: the years between 1996 and 2006 had been hard). The low point had been the euro 2000 when germany had to drive home after the group stage. And one reason for this was that the german clubs bought players (most of them from eastern europe) instead of developing the youth.
So after the euro 2000 the DFB instructed the clubs to setup professional centres for the youth. The first result had been Podolski and Schweinsteiger. And in former nearly no U21 national player found his way to the Bundesliga. As I said the clubs preferred to buy players in comparison to develop a young own player. Now look at the german U21 which won the euro 2009. I guess you already heard of the one or the other player:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_UEFA_ ... ampionship

hat off for such an informative and interesting post! thank you for enriching my knowledge Hans, i totally understand what you're saying and I am even more proud to be german football fan, as I see what the german clubs and national team were able to achieve with the least number of foreigners possible, unlike all other clubs!....I even used your answer in a debate we were having about the Bundesliga vis a vis other league on some local forum...I really hope the Mannschaft gets rewarded for such a good/healthy strategy, not to mention the current team's performance, by winning the Euro, the WC, or both of them! it's time!

[Leb Yellow Butterfly]

exciting football night! I wish the games werent on the same day/time
Marseille - Bayern (will definitely watch this one)
Milan - Barcelona (too bad im gonna have to miss this one)

[therocker]

Time is getting close........ AC MILAN - FC BARCELONA would have been better in final, but that's life
I only wish it will not be one of those tactical boring matches where they just study each-other